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There are two plans I know of,maybe three, that utilize 35 to 50 cc engines.The Bob Nelitz plans are totally scale,but tough around the wing mounting area.Some redesign by a scratch builder would be easy enough.-1/3 scale-12'
Balsa USA has one also,as a kit,or plans can be purchased separately.1/3 scale Amr has a kit,available from Canada,is also 1/3 scale Wendell Hostetler has plans for one,I think 120" Fiberglass cowls are available for all. |
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Hey guys.it looks as if the news is spreading about the possibility of the new forum idea..There are good arguments,pro and con.
But you have to realise the basic premise here.....The rules state that we need fifty names of people who have voted yes,before an application is sent to the administrators,with those names. They will then conduct their own poll,in which at least 75% of the votes must be yes. The opposition will hope that they can maneuver more than 25% nay votes to prohibit the forums' birth. We'll hope just as fervently to maintain a 75% positive interest. I'll interject here,that,it's amazing to see the number of information outlets on RCGroups,and also to see how so many model builders will object to another model builder's plan to share wisdom and experience with said builders. Especially since we/they seem to have no problem locating the information we/they want.It seems there are different definitions of 'confusion'.What one person navigates easily,another has difficulty finding his way through.Which is exactly what we want to avoid. I'm not aware of how difficult it was to start an "Airliners"forum,but if they had such opposition,then Kudos are due them.. However-Since they weren't relegated to the "Builder's Workshop" even as they are called builders,directing the next forum there seems to have little merit. Expanding that theory,ALL BUILDERS should be directed to the "Builder's Workshop", All ARFs andRTFs to a single forum,and all used buyers to a third! But-that's never going to happen.So putting the Balsa and lite ply scratch and kit builds into it's own forum makes perfect sense...All facets of building from Balsa and liteply,as a scratch or kit build will be at one location.All the forums seem to wander off topic a bit because people are people..and sometimes one thought reminds you of another,which may clarify a point not labelled in the title. Let's make an example;someone asks for the best glue for laminating plywood,and we say"epoxy"-not in the title,but necessary to the build.-suppose a newbie asks "what's the best way to mix it"?-I 'eyeball it'-others may weigh it to the gram.-Here's where it'll go off topic...."where do I get a scale to weigh it"? -He has to be answered...we're trying to help him,remember, so threads can go off topic quickly,and innocently. You and I can deal with that,but the forum policeman is looking for infractions,and now he's upset.So he has to report it....How did this get from builders helping builders,to earning points? I'd suggest that a precedent has been set,that a forum is a general guideline,with flexible boundaries-but I certainly draw the line at women's shoes. G'nite all. |
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I agree, well said.
Women's shoes? Women's shoes? We don't need no stinkin' women's shoes (pun not intended.) |
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Okay-we have been discussing definitions,generally ,lately.
Last night ,at our club eat 'n fly,Rich brought out his new 8' Telemaster.Rich is a well rounded builder,for many years..His stable includes rubber power to 100cc giants. The after-flight discussion included his build.He had bought stock balsa sheet and strip to build with,as most of us do. He had the wing ribs laser cut,by a fledgling company in the Midwest. Should we discuss this combination of building in the new forum? Can this be defined as a "scratch" build? How far will we go to limit the exposure of mixed building to newbies wanting to learn? We accept that very few folks saw their own balsa trees,so we buy 'preformed' materials,which is acceptable.Will we establish laser cutting as 'normal' in a scratch build? What I'm trying to determine is, do we limit laser cutting to just kits,or accept the freedom of options in scratch building? I have my answer already-we want to hear yours. |
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In the rush to avoid having to sear one's eyeballs with the existence of, shock, horror, something in the forum which isn't exactly in line with the purist view, one ends up with notions such as asking "can we have laser cut parts in kits, or can we also "allow" them in scratch builds?". What about if the scratch builder has his own laser or CNC cutting rig in his workshop? What if he sends the jobfile out to a cutting agency? What possible difference does it make? |
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I'm making an effort to please you....So much of what goes on in this discussion seems so upsetting to you,that we don't want to further your discomfort.
So let me get this straight-are you comfortable with using laser cut parts,no matter what their origin,in a scratch built model? You answered a question,with a question,which is not definitive. Do you or do you not approve of laser cut parts,in a scratch built project? It's not an essay.....Yes,or No will be accepted as a complete answer. I get the idea that "purists" are low on your list,yet you're pushing for high standards of compliance in something as simple as a forum application.-I don't have any problem with that.This is not my forum idea.But I do approve of it.I have gone back and reviewed the rules,as you suggested. With your continued help,we'll probably get it right ,eventually. We're trying to lay some ground rules here,so if a point is taken on a particular post,there needs to be a rule to refer to.If some rules are too strict,they can be modified. So rather than modify rules,we'll do our best to generate plausible ones with what I like to call "flexible boundaries".. We will be allowed to waltz off the path a little to clarify a point,or express an opinion,without it's being pointed out that opinion is not necessarily that of the sponsor. |
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In this case the logic also appears to include the element - "Well the foamie lot have their own forum, we should have ours as well" - which ignores the historical basis for how that ended up in that way. The basic forum structure is made up of categorising forums by the model type and function, rather than the construction methods used. Back in the very early days the original foamies forum was created, because the techniques used were rather different than traditional aeromodelling. All of the other forums were, by default, dominated by traditional balsa/ply builds.. [quote] This is not my forum idea.But I do approve of it.I have gone back and reviewed the rules,as you suggested. With your continued help,we'll probably get it right ,eventually. {/quote] To clarify, the rules that I was talking about being broken, and accruing points, are the rules against personal attacks, trolling and other disruptive and unacceptable behaviour. Nobody is going to get any points for not fully following the procedure for proposing a new forum. The worst that would happen is that the application would be void and may need to be resubmitted/ It is also worth noting that at any time that the management decide that the idea is so good that it can short-cut the process, that can happen, and has, on occasion. Quote:
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Just got an e-mail from a strong opinioned individual whose sentiments lie as follows: You tell me how to do it,-I'll decide WHAT to do ! An eclectic build with him,is perfectly okay.
Maybe I went overboard on the limits.'Way back at the beginning I stated that my impression of a scratch build was a project you made as much of as you could do without"outside interference" I allowed as to how you didn't have to make your own engine,or landing gears,tanks,pushrods and hinges etc. That still holds true-I want to build balsa and plywood cowls,he wants to buy fiberglass ones.I want to pull my own canopies,he wants to buy 'em..Okay-in the forum,we're going to show you how to make the parts,if you want....But if you want to buy bolt-ons,that's cool also.-Laser cut parts included. Well-this is just getting easier ! |
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Earl we were supposed to ignore Let the gas can run dry and you can't start fires.
By the way another vote. If I take my own design and convert it for a laser cutter I would say that is still from scratch? I know it's on the edge but the forum will, as you said, there will be areas of distinction that need to be made. Would laser cutting be more like a kit? If it is your design I don't think so. Would this forum include building from plans as acceptable? Would be more toward the kit area I guess? Robert Quote:
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Ok onto what this thread is about. how bout some more pics of my scratch build. This is the fuse coming together on a Cap 232. Hopefully will have both sides glued up by the end of the weekend. don't have much time though as I'm working all weekend.
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