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Mar 03, 2016, 12:33 PM
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think you'll all like this one if I repeat sorry I will delete it

Classic Aircraft - Transport (Full Documentary 2015) (21 min 15 sec)
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Mar 03, 2016, 03:39 PM
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Great to see the Twin Pin, a favourite of mine, but a complex build!
Mar 04, 2016, 04:16 AM
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Couple of points there, the NZ ones were not Air NZ but operated by SAFE AIR, the removable passenger capsule was originated for their Bristol Freighters when doing the passenger run to the Chatham Islands.

Mike Stuart did a rubber powered one- see here: http://www.ffscale.co.uk/page2i.htm towards bottom of the page.
Mar 04, 2016, 07:59 AM
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Hi Kiwi,

Mike Stuart's Argosy is a classic free flight build, and seems to fly really well.

As a reminder of Ian's Beverly, here's a short clip from 2012 (the one where he notices that the starboard outer wing is not attached to the airframe ("oh oh oh oh" as he taxis back!)

2012 06050187 Ivan Beverley landing & taxi back (1 min 4 sec)
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Mar 04, 2016, 02:39 PM
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Couple of points there, the NZ ones were not Air NZ but operated by SAFE AIR, the removable passenger capsule was originated for their Bristol Freighters when doing the passenger run to the Chatham Islands.

Mike Stuart did a rubber powered one- see here: http://www.ffscale.co.uk/page2i.htm towards bottom of the page.

Hi Nev am i glad to see your still about.. sorry if I muddied the water with the NZ aircraft statement i was pretty tired..I new they were SAFE Air .....didn't know about the Bristol origin of the pod I just found the link to the one at the museum That's a gorgeous model.
http://www.aviation-history.com/arms...orth/aw650.htm An affectionate look at a historic aircraft service and faithful servant.
Military Argosy 660 http://ukmamsoba.org/history_argosy.html
http://www.awa.uk.com/1956to1965

More twin Pin SCAV vids here along with an invite to talk and add links for all STOL https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=2600326

Nev and other Bimbos does anyone have a 3 view of a Wilson Global Explorer Amphibian Twin please?
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Mar 05, 2016, 06:27 PM
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Ivans lanc comes in at 203oz a geared S480 powered Argosy should despite the twin booms come in no more than that or the Beverlys and above the Bristfits 108oz, given the advances in battery tech and the lighter motor set up... the target I estimate as about 180oz

Ive now realized at 1/12 its going to be very big .... boom split might be compulsory ................ can someone drop a 1/12 scale grid onto the more detailed center-line split 3 view? Im mid pc swapping and software.

115' = 115" =2.92M....... span
86' 9"= 86.75" = 2.20M....... Overall length by the NZ museums figures
across the booms is about 1/3 the span @ 38" 1m and the length with the fuse pod detached @ 62" or just under 1.6m Estimated from screen image..!

Ive added more links to the previous posts on the Argosy.

I had a thought on the booms a tube within a tube or following a wave guide principle a cross within the tube?? Has anyone built anything along these lines before
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Mar 06, 2016, 03:40 AM
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Scaredy cat...115" isn't big

But from Harry Spotter's POV, a Brisfit is a Bristol Fighter or F2B. The Bristol Freighter was the Bristol Frightener.

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Mar 06, 2016, 10:32 AM
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The AW650 has been a favourite of mine for ages, picked up a plastic model kit recently, and have this set of views for the Military C1 version. I do have a civilian plan somewhere, must did it out.
David





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Chaps........... I had a conversation some time ago with Our man in Chilliwack ..about a same scale stablemate to the Freighter.. the HS 650 Argosy AKA the whistling wheelbarrow or in RAF form the flying T

Now looking at the stats its spans not a lot larger but being a twin boom 4 motor its a lot bulkier ............ the boss liked the plane liked the layout and period style and it fitted with the must have flown in NZ theme but he had two concerns ............. one how to fit it into his aircraft carrier and how to do all those curves. round the fuselage ............. we traded thoughts............. read i tried to twist his arm threw wild ideas at him based on a Royal kits 72" Cessna Bird dog /Mixmaster plan I had and he said he would think about it ............. then he tells me he's had an idea.......... the next thing I know hes wheeling out the Beverly

Ive posted 3 views in the Airliner and transport plans 3 views thread and a chaps interested but Im interested on hearing your opinions ?
Its a lovely aircraft and I'm a sucker for twin-booms, four motors good wing area ................ comes in military and civil versions, huge choice of colour schemes... some quite lurid scaled the whistle could pass for E motors driving gearboxes.
Sorry if the orders a bit messed up I had to have three goes loading these images.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/ho...dex.php?Page=1

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ha...ley+650+Argosy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Om9WhJBiaU
Turn the sound up and listen to those Darts...............woosh whistle and howl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8leadlYztFE
Mar 06, 2016, 10:49 AM
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AW650 Plans


The AW650 has been a favourite of mine for ages, picked up a plastic model kit recently, and have this set of views for the Military C1 version. I do have a civilian plan somewhere, must did it out.
David
Part 2 Plan image added





[QUOTE=Airboatflyingshp;34121477]Chaps........... I had a conversation some time ago with Our man in Chilliwack ..about a same scale stablemate to the Freighter.. the HS 650 Argosy AKA the whistling wheelbarrow or in RAF form the flying T
Mar 06, 2016, 11:50 AM
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Mike thats true but I must be one of the few people on the planet to have never seen or read a single Potter story.
Size is relative ... and with Ivan thats the inside of his car hence the Beverly is Modular its one of the things he wasn't so keen on with the twin tails and booms the Argosy ... the other being the fuselages curves with or without the nipple ...er sorry radar dome!

lets call it a BristFRit........ and keep everyone happy ..Im going to look how they do some Boxcar booms for clues.

Ive retro added more links.

On the couch - thanks for the contributions ................. that forward section reminds me of a rotor w ankle engines tri-lobed rotor LOl Ive a lovely picture of a display model I gleaned from the net but lost where ... the gas turbine exausts will certainly let heat out getting air in might be a bit of a challenge but that depends on motor verses scaled cowl diameters.
The military versions even more complex as a shape, as that rear ramp door mechanism requires another transition bulge at the back.

I find the fact that on the original versions they built the WCs into the nose and tail cones/doors
Comedy Vision of some poor occupant having had a bad trip and fallen asleep opening the wc. door expecting to be facing the inside instead to be facing the whole airfield


Flight Sim model
Armstrong Whitworth Argosy.wmv (11 min 10 sec)


"ARGOSIES" FOR RAF (1 min 38 sec)



http://karopka.ru/community/user/8162/?MODEL=427286
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Mar 07, 2016, 10:14 AM
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I've read the Main UC legs were based on the ones they used for the Shackleton the original wing was based on the Avro Shackleton 3s, engine housings were based on the existing Viscounts.... but the BEA built versions were fitted with a redesigned wing .. looking at Couches drawings despite saying the military version had an extended leading edge I cannot see a significant difference??
I do however notice the addition of the rear fringe of small square fins aft of the cockpit bulge....... I assume to smooth the air flow over the upper rear area and then over the top of the wing above the fuselage?

Just found a note ..Vortex generators ..function as suspected.
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Mar 07, 2016, 12:11 PM
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I've got the Sep 2015 Aeroplane magazine which has a "database" feature on the Argosy. As well as a very reasonable 3-view including cross-sections it has fuselage side views of both civil and military versions. 18 pages of words and pictures complete the package. There's an unusual picture of a tanker test bed refuelling a Sea Vixen!
Mar 07, 2016, 03:54 PM
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This is the chap who took a shine to the Argosy..Ive linked that post over to here ..had a look he seems very able..
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The Argosy would make a great model. I have these 3d drawings and have a SAFE Air (New Zealand) version in mind once my current project is finished.
Mar 07, 2016, 03:57 PM
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I've got the Sep 2015 Aeroplane magazine which has a "database" feature on the Argosy. As well as a very reasonable 3-view including cross-sections it has fuselage side views of both civil and military versions. 18 pages of words and pictures complete the package. There's an unusual picture of a tanker test bed refueling a Sea Vixen!
Mike would you ......?? pm me... and i will mail you
Mar 07, 2016, 04:14 PM
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Yes, I'll be in touch. Nice to hear an enthusiast!


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