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Feb 17, 2003, 12:00 AM
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Here's something to think about!

This is an Airman's response to the Washington Times article. It should be printed in all newspapers across America. Especially now when the
President is calling up more Reserves and National Guardsman. Get this response out to everyone you know. It's time the Jane Fonda's & Shaun Penn's of this country wise up and support the troops that defend them.

Noel Pritzl
1st Vice President USDR

Military pay article

On 12 Nov, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming servicemembers' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this!

"Ms Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my
bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for the administration of a 5,000-host computer
network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network
Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as being a further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you
take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.

And when you're actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First
Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like
you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.

We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms.Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?


A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC"


Feb 17, 2003, 12:12 AM
He wasn't always evil
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I would have loved to seen Ms. Williams face when she read that! I wonder how long it took her to make $13,000 while she was on TV.

Feb 17, 2003, 12:27 AM
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Who ever said she could read?

Feb 17, 2003, 12:35 AM
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Ooo, Bill, good one. In either case, when she HEARD it or read it, I bet she was floored. But, when you mouth off to a crowd as big as the armed forces (collectively), you're going to have a few who will be able to respond in a manner quite appropriate to the situation. I just hope she got a lot more of these kinds of letters. Maybe they'll convince her to keep things shut up for a while. Personally, I'm all for a raise in pay. They deserve it.

Feb 17, 2003, 12:42 AM
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You dont have to be a member of the Armed forces to know that they dont get paid enough. The worlds greatest fighting force, and they aren't paid like it.
Ofcourse 99% of them didnt sign up for the money in the first place, it was to serve their country. Thats why they get my utmost respect.
Feb 17, 2003, 03:54 AM
Sloping off....
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Yet another Urban legend.

The writer of the original article was not an actress appearing in the Shirely and Laverne show. She was a DIFFERENT Cindy Williams, unrelated to the entertainment industry.

That doesn't take away the points raised by the airman who replied to the article but it means that making comparisons of how much Ms Willims earned whilst appearing on television are ill founded. The Ms Williams from the TV did indeed get a whole bunch of letters about this- but she wasn't the one who had written the original article.

Feb 17, 2003, 06:55 AM
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Its not the Cindy Williams the actress. Original article
referred to was from a defense analyist named
Cindy Williams. This one never dies.
Feb 17, 2003, 07:25 AM
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perhaps it should. No one here in their right mind is questioning the lot of any soldiers. Only the desires of their masters.

Last edited by Oneson1; Feb 17, 2003 at 07:30 AM.
Feb 17, 2003, 11:13 AM
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Well, I (and whoever sent this to me) stand corrected! However, like Brian said, it doesn't take away from the points addressed in the response letter.


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