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Sep 30, 2008, 10:04 PM
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wow....evidently when I was a child learning to shoot............Canadian kids were learning to paint some of those are really nice looking
Sep 30, 2008, 10:11 PM
Pursuit of Happiness
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Blue Angel's !!

the funny thing is so many guys say they won't do the blue angel because it's over done... that I never see blue angels at meets any more
Sep 30, 2008, 10:17 PM
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Thanks guys for the suggestions so far. I should specify that I want to do a military scheme because I want to weather it some. On the last Electra I built I did a gloss scheme and I swore I would not do a gloss scheme again. It is way more work than doing a weathered military scheme.

Sep 30, 2008, 10:33 PM
smug in granny panties
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well yeah without a doubt even spinning that fast ds is gonna be louder for sure, waqs just marking the diff between low rpm and high rpm. And even with that high a count they know the weight counters any speed advantage so they use that system as a low draw longer running system for lower speeds. heck we can do the bandit mildy aggresive for 7 min on just 12s 4kw, no flaps either!

those are some awesome paint schemes up there!

Sep 30, 2008, 10:38 PM
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I have seen alot of the blue versions and of the tan/brown versions.....hmmm brown and green, Are you talking about this one?
Sep 30, 2008, 10:47 PM
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Ok guys, enough with the fan wars. I know enough about all of the available fans to make up my own mind based on criteria I have set forth for a scale project.

Now, back to color schemes. Below is the scheme I am leaning towards unless someone comes up with something better.

Sep 30, 2008, 10:48 PM
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Check this article out!! I didnt know they were building these for production this year. Interesting!
Sep 30, 2008, 10:52 PM
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I really like that aggressor scheme dussmdb34
Sep 30, 2008, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lavochkin
I really like that aggressor scheme dussmdb34
yeah the aggressor schemes are just that..aggressive....nothing wrong with is just that..."grey"

Kirk, that is a good one

Sep 30, 2008, 11:20 PM
The blade numbers go up to 11
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Originally Posted by k_sonn
It's not the sound of the Stumax fan that I find unimpressive, its the lack of performance the fan has when compared to a TF4000/Nue 1912 1Y combo running on 10S at 89A and 3200 watts. IMHO it's your awesome energy management piloting skills that make it look good.

I know you're not a big fan of mine, Kirk, but let's get things into perspective. The SM110-52 was designed to fly .91 ICDF sized scale models with scale inlets off grass runways at scale speeds with enough thrust at those speeds for good aerobatics. Take a model with 66cm^2 (ie 90%FSA) inlets and put a 120mm fan in it and see how poorly it performs, yet the SM110-52 will do fine. Take a model with 90cm^2 inlets and a 120mm fan will beat it every time, but there aren't many models in the right size range with such large inlets. It wasn't designed for guys who just want to half-pipe all day long as if they're flying in a virtual skateboard rink. As it was designed for good bottom end performance, it unloads considerably during flight. A customer with a Spark had telemetry which showed 3.2kW static but ~2.6kW in straight and level flight (less in a dive), increasing to ~2.8kW when going vertical. That's a drop of 25% in flight, and the good thing is in gave the extra when required. It was radared at 145mph, which compares favourably with it when it had a DS75 in it. We're still working out the optimum exhaust size, it is very dependant on inlet size, so it's not a "one size fits all" like a rotor/stator fan which is much less critical. IMHO, Gordon's flight shows us that it has the grunt to pull a 16lb model up into a vertical 4 point roll without a big dive to get speed - it's the low down thrust that keeps it going rather than its own momentum - in fact in Gordon's excellent video there is very little of what you call energy management, most of the verticals are done after a simple turnaround. Yes, it does compromise a bit of performance in order to get the good sound, but I haven't had any complaints from customers yet, from nearly 40 units sold. Some people gauge performance by only one factor - straight line speed, usually out of a dive - but there's more to it, especially if you fly off grass, as you have to make it into the air safely before you can do anything else.

That said, I'm looking forward to whatever model you choose do do, as you always do such a good job. I can do a super shiny, pylon racer type finish with my eyes closed, but there's no way I could ever do a scale model to your level, my patience just isn't there.

Last edited by stumax; Sep 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM.
Sep 30, 2008, 11:48 PM
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That first paragraph is good info about your fan. You should put it in your fan thread so your customers or potential customers can easily find it.

I'm just the opposite of you. I can do scale military scale finishes all day long but although I can do a glossy finish I just don't get into them so they seem like a lot of work to me. I can go to an airshow and just walk around a plane on static and observe all of the different ways it shows wear and tear and then I go home and think of ways to duplicate it.

Here's a couple of photos of what I hope is the last glossy finish I do.

Last edited by k_sonn; Oct 01, 2008 at 12:35 AM. Reason: added photos
Sep 30, 2008, 11:56 PM
A-4 nut!!
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Here's can put your masking/painting skills to work.
Oct 01, 2008, 12:07 AM
go fly! no crashes!
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heheh. that writing on the vert stab cracks me up!

and thats a beautiful glossy finish Kirk!

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