BoneDoc's 3D Clinic #1: Upright AND INVERTED Harrier - NEW SECTION & VIDEO ADDED - Page 6 - RC Groups
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Jul 15, 2008, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by smelyal8r
Count me in too!
Meant to ask you and John if you'd heard of the ATTF podcast ! Your Velox good-to-go again man ?

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Jul 15, 2008, 11:29 PM
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Yep, heard of it, but haven't listened yet. I'll download it tonight. Velox is good as new. Flew 2 packs through her the other night.

Jul 19, 2008, 04:05 AM
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Hey Gang,

I added a new section: INVERTED HARRIER.

I initially was going to put this in a different thread, but after thinking it over, it makes more sense to lump it all together with the upright harrier, as both as two sides of the same coin.
Jul 19, 2008, 07:59 AM
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Very nice Josh, thanks for taking the time to do the clinics.One question,do you use stock thrust angle on your 3DHS planes?Ron
Jul 19, 2008, 09:37 AM
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Yep.. I haven't change a single thing on them .
Jul 19, 2008, 04:27 PM
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Inverted rudder is tough for my thumbs and brain to get , hopefully the lead with the aileron hint will save me some balsa and foam. ( I use foam instead of a simulator)

Jul 19, 2008, 04:36 PM
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Josh, excellent job. I think the inverted harrier is the best vid yet. The plane is very clear, the transmitter overlay is just the right amount of transparency. Well done. I also liked the demonstration of the different entries to the maneuver. Very nice.

Nice shirt, too.
Jul 19, 2008, 09:48 PM
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Thanks Ben....

Thanks also for the shirt. That was definitely a nice Father's day surprise .
Jul 27, 2008, 08:19 PM
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Hey Josh,

I loved the inverted Harrier video. Great tip about lead with the aileron and give opposite rudder. Also, I like Scott Stoops' tip about starting out with inverted flight and using your rudder to initiate turns. This gets your brain used to the opposite rudder control issue. I tried both of these tips and started trying some inverted Harriers this weekend. My SHP and Addiction spent a lot more time on their backs than in previous flights. Thanks for your efforts, they are a great help to us 3D newbies. Also, I look forward to your landing tips video. Thanks, Jim.
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Aug 01, 2008, 03:27 AM
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The challenging part for me about inverted or upright harriers, is concealing any signs of wing rock or out of control wing dips when making banking turns. When watching Kyle Woyshnis or Gernot Bruckmann, their turns in harriers are absolutely wobble free. If they do drop a wing too fast, they'll turn it into a rolling harrier or turn the harrier the other way and you don't even notice it. Mine tend to wobble as I panic and tend to try to balance out the wings. Nothing more unsightly than wobbly 3D.
Aug 01, 2008, 06:54 AM
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Have you tried starting with just a slight bank on the ailerons. Just think small input on the ailerons. Once you get the bank angle, then just add a breath of rudder to help steer. That should help quite a bit.
Aug 05, 2008, 11:41 AM
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Wonderful !!
The beauty of post stall flight still amazes me, and now with the help of these vids I too can enjoy learning these maneuvers.

Great Work Doc.. (and Mrs Doc) !!!

Aug 12, 2008, 03:11 PM
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On one of the videos, you said that the plane harriers better inverted. Why is that? And is it true on any plane?
Aug 12, 2008, 03:13 PM
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Just about any plane. The reason being that the rudder hangs in "clean" air, uninterrupted by the turbulance generated from the elevators (at least that's what we believe at this point).
Aug 12, 2008, 03:48 PM
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I notice some differences in planes with no gear vs planes with gear upright as well. It's not as big a difference as inverted vs upright though.




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