View Poll Results: Which kind of connector would you prefer?
Micro top connectors (present version) 13 8.23%
Standard front pin connectors. 103 65.19%
Standard top pin connectors. 42 26.58%
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Apr 27, 2008, 03:46 PM
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Connectors for Fasst parkflyer reciever.


Hi folks!

This poll is about the connectors that the R616FFM is equipped with.
Many people, including me, do not understand what the tiny connectors, that no standard servo connector will fit on, are supposed to do.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=856131
Piss us of? Make us buy heavy and expensive adapters? Make us practicing our soldering skillz when replacing them? Driving people to buy Spektrum or XPS instead?
Honestly, I have no idea.

Therefore this poll. Please choose the option that you would like.
Maybe someone will listen.

Edit: This poll is just about the connectors, not about the reciever weight. Ok, maybe pin connectors will be 0.5g heavier, but who cares?
Last edited by Julez; Apr 28, 2008 at 02:55 AM.
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Apr 27, 2008, 04:19 PM
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Does a vote for the std front pin vs. the std top pin necessarily mean you are also voting for a heavier Rx?
Apr 27, 2008, 04:27 PM
Inciting Riots
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Obviously they are trying to compete with the Ar6300 from Spektrum. If they are going to offer a receiver that takes connectors, the least they could do is sell a cheaper crimper for those connectors. The JST crimper is almost $400USD and pretty rediculous for what it does.

That said it's good that Futaba is finally starting to get smaller receivers, but with this as your only option you are pretty much $crewed.

My only suggestion woul be to remove the connectors and solder the wires directly.
Apr 28, 2008, 04:22 AM
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Front pin? I would call ist end pin.

I use vertical and horizontal pin receivers (AR6100/AR6100e) depending on the model. Those who want to save weight will remove the pins anyway.

Those Futaba Micro plugs are for sure the worst combination.

Jürgen
Apr 28, 2008, 09:11 AM
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My guess is (if they haven't already done so) they will come out with a line of servos with a matching plug on 'em. Proprietary products generate additional sales.

I saw one of these receivers at the AMA Convention last January. Andrew Jesky had one on one of his indoor planes and he had to use a big wad of adapters which had to weigh as much as the receiver itself.

My thought at the time: What were they thinking?

Pete
Apr 28, 2008, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PGR
My guess is (if they haven't already done so) they will come out with a line of servos with a matching plug on 'em. Proprietary products generate additional sales.
Or sway buyers to purchase competing products that are compatible with a greater variety of more widely used servos...

FWIW, I vote for an end pin RX.
Apr 30, 2008, 02:39 AM
Risto Hölttä - F3A/P Team FIN
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These Futaba micro connectors do not seem to be any more proprietary than the ones that Spectrum/JR are using. They are 1.27mm pitch standard connectors and definitely NOT manufactured by JST. Futaba has had parkflyer receivers on the market for a few years with these connectors already. I don't know yet who the manufacturer is but it could be Molex.

I have found these exact same connectors in different electronic products which proves that they are not Futaba proprietary. We just need to find out who is the manufacturer and where to get the crimping tools and connector parts.

I'm just wishing that the other servo manufacturers wake up and start putting out products with these connectors as well. This would solve the problem. I do not like the crazy expensive extensions and pigtail cables either.
Apr 30, 2008, 03:14 AM
Risto Hölttä - F3A/P Team FIN
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Molex PicoBlade connectors


OK, I think I found what they are. Not 1.27mm but 1.25mm Molex PicoBlade series.

Servo extension connector 0510470300:
http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/mole...s&Lang=english
Servo connector 0510210300:
http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/mole...s&Lang=english
RX connector 0530470310:
http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/mole...s&Lang=english

I hope the links work but if not, the part numbers should lead to the right place at the Molex web site.
Apr 30, 2008, 08:01 AM
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There are a number of manufacturers producing servos/Rxes with the micro-jst plugs already (though there are a few vendors with non-standard polarity). Seems a shame that Futaba saw fit to create yet another servo connector standard.

Spektrum: http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/D...odID=SPMAR6300
Blue Arrow: http://www.microflight.com/Online-Ca...row-2-5g-Servo
Blue Bird: http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id...93&pid=V682449
Plantraco RX: http://www.microflight.com/Micro9-S-...Servo-Rx-w-ESC
Cirrus: http://www.globalhobby.com/public/gallery/443443.asp
and a few others, sometimes with adapters (Falcon 1.6g servos)

Argh.

D.
Apr 30, 2008, 08:14 AM
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I'm not sure why Futaba using something different is a surprise. They have done it numerous times to try to lock people into their brand. Just look at the negative shift gear on 72 in the US. Everywhere else Futaba sells positive shift equipment, except the US.
Apr 30, 2008, 08:46 AM
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If Futaba made a gun - it would only work to shoot oneself in the foot.
Apr 30, 2008, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by richard hanson
If Futaba made a gun - it would only work to shoot oneself in the foot.
Naaaaaaaw! Without 'model match' it would shoot someone else's foot.
Apr 30, 2008, 06:39 PM
Risto Hölttä - F3A/P Team FIN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by darkith
There are a number of manufacturers producing servos/Rxes with the micro-jst plugs already (though there are a few vendors with non-standard polarity). Seems a shame that Futaba saw fit to create yet another servo connector standard.
Yep and I'm just hoping the servo manufacturers face the facts and start producing another option with the Molex connectors. The thing is, Spectrum started this movement towards smaller connectors before Futaba and that's why there is better selection of servos currently available.

The biggest manufacturers have done this from the beginning. JR has totally weird wire colors and Futaba has that extra tab in the connectors that needs to be removed if connected to JR equipment. Etc etc. Also Futaba has the negative shift everywhere, not just in the US. It is not a problem since practically all modern transmitters have servo reversing.

So if you really think about this, everybody is doing the same, except the smaller brands like Hitec that simply had to be compatible to reach at least some market share. I still wouldn't mind if all the connectors were compatible but in any case reliability is more important. Someone could take a closer look at the JST and Molex connectors to see which one is better built.
Apr 30, 2008, 06:52 PM
Risto Hölttä - F3A/P Team FIN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurgen Heilig

Those Futaba Micro plugs are for sure the worst combination.

Jürgen
Why? They are smaller and stay firmly in place. There also seems to be a version with gold plated contacts. Besides, Molex is much better known connector manufacturer than JST.
May 01, 2008, 01:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GBR2
I'm not sure why Futaba using something different is a surprise.
It's not just Futaba... :




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