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Jul 13, 2008, 10:10 AM
Taking care of the pond.
"I like that transparent material on the Black sails. Any idea what it is?"

TriSpi25, you can find it here, bottom of page.


I just ordered some Chuck Black.
A rig for light air TriSpi25.
B rig for heavy air TriSpi40.

Hope this helps.

Don M.
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Jul 14, 2008, 09:00 AM
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Yo Commodores,

We had 12.5 Commodores at the pond today. Yes hard to believe but it is

I checked the weather report before heading out and the report was 2mph
building to 8mph. I'm sure we saw gust of 2. All was not lost. We sailed,
motored and chatted under partly cloudy skys and the weather was pretty

I got to the pond about 9 and took out a Vic, Tug and ODOM. I know too
early. Bill White showed up next and pulled out his Victoria and gave my
ODOM a run for its money. Herb,his wife and Jacob came up next. Jacob
again went in the water and served as a launcher for their boats. Herb
brought his newly finished power boat, the hull was a gift from Commodore
Ron, and donated to Ron by our other tehachipi pal Mike Page. Thanks Ron
and Mike you done good, the boat went to a good cause.

Steve showed up next. I met Steve for the first time Monday while out
sailing on Kaweah in my Catalina. Steve is new to sailing and just got a
Cal 20. He said he needed help learning to sail so I invited him out to
start with the r/c. He sailed the ODOM and then the Victoria and had a
great time. It didn't take him long to figure it out. He is a couple of
years away from retiring and works at Woodlake School District.

Jeff and Graciela (and .5) joined us and got us up-to-date on their goings
on. They looked very happy, Jeff said he may take off some time when the
baby arrives and between changing diapers might be able to work on his
Boxkite IOM. I'm thinking if he is going to do any building it better be

Herbs family, and Jeff and family took off and the next shift came in. Tim,
Rick H, Marc and Tyler showed up next. Tim had his ODOM, Tugboat, fishing
boat. Rick H had his ODOM, and a r/c Dragonfly. Marc and Tyler had their
Snipe, Footy, and Catamaran.

Tim's Tug did good, but we saw water on the deck after he made a fast pass
on the pond. I'm thinking it had to do with bow spray from his new mop head
on the bow. Tim was offering his fishing boat for sale. Those interested
should contact him.

Rick H showed me a lamination problem on his ODOM. We think a bit of Epoxy
and some blue painters tape and it will be good as new. The winds were not
a problem for it today and I don't think he took on any water. Rick also
brought out a brand new r/c Dragonfly. That was kind of fun to see fly in
the light air. Well until it attacked my Red Suburban.

Marc and Tyler showed off the new Catamaran and even let it sail without r/c
equipment. Now that is showing courage. They used my tug to control the
direction. It wanted to point up into the wind. Tyler sailed his Snipe.
Marc put the row boat in the water and it managed a couple of pond

A special thanks to Rick Harvey, for bringing me some plans for an RG65.
Lets see if I can do something with it. Rick bought a hull off the web and
it is still in shipment. Good news on my front the guy I got the damaged
ETNZ sent the Refund. Now what do I get??? Tim was saying he sure wanted
that Cantaberry J.

I had fun. Charge up your batteries and see ya at the pond...

Jul 14, 2008, 12:31 PM
Taking care of the pond.
Sorry I mised it, I wanted to see Marc's cat. on the water.

Don M.
Jul 14, 2008, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fairwind900
Marc and Tyler showed off the new Catamaran and even let it sail without r/c
equipment. Now that is showing courage. They used my tug to control the
direction. It wanted to point up into the wind.

Rick -

the cat will do that since it appears to be based on a Hobie 14 which only used the main. With the center of effort located somewhere in the main, and the hulls providing lateral resistance - this cat, like many, will always have a tendency to seek the wind and wind up in "irons". Adding a jib will help, but normally a cat will have a lot of weather-helm, and boards and rudders will add to the total lateral resistance of the entire boat.

The issue of weather-helm was one major problem with trying to build scale models of beach catamarans, since there are no daggerboards to raise/lower to alter lateral resistance location. The other problem is a need for a very fast acting winch to allow wind to be "dumped" in gusty conditions, and lack of forward buoyancy (especially with the Hobie "bananna" shaped hulls) causing forward pitchpoling. This isn't just confined to Hobie - but Prindle and other beach cats who started out with masts rather forward. Newer cats generally have the mast/daggerboards/rudders located in the rear third of the boat to try to offset forward pitchpole.

The guys will also find batteries, receiver and two servos will greatly add to the overall weight of the boat, as well as it's overall balance. Tell them not to get disappointed - it's the nature of the "beast" and why not many folks want to sail them - or trimarans !
Jul 14, 2008, 05:38 PM
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Good Points Dick,

Marc and I talked about those issues as we watched his 14" Catamaran skim across the pond in light air.

I'm always so impressed with folks that enjoy building boats. Getting to handle perfectly is a whole challenge in and of itself.

Thanks for the comments.

I love to mess around with boats. I built this 3' long PVC Catamaran. I usually sail it with Fairwind sails, this day I put on an ODOM mast. I used skegs on this boat to help it hold a line. I tossed in a picture of my scratch built pontoon boat too out amongst the 1 meter boats.

Jul 20, 2008, 07:34 PM
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Sierra MYC Pond Report July 20, 2008

Yo Commodores,

You would have thought it was the end of September. Cloud cover and a easy
temperature was the call for the day.

Don and Herb were there when I pulled up around 9:30. Herb was sailing his
Victoria and Don was unloading boats. Don Sailed his Fairwind that has been
owened by Ron and Jeff. He had his Tugboat out and it was sporting more
brass railing then last week. What a nice job. I sure like the tugs twin
rotating water canons.

Rick Harvey pulled up with Betty. Rick brought his ODOM and promptly joined

For Show and tell Rick H had his new 16oz weights that will be used on his
RG65. He also had a RG65 hull that he bought off ebay. And ASKook or
something like that it is called. I think I could get in trouble for trying
to pronounce it in the wrong group.

Don showed us what he was doing with his Iraqi Aluminum Uraninum tubes. Don
is turning down Aluminum to make a scale Pontoon boat. This is the first
time I had seen the tubes in person. I think he was trying to give them to
me as he almost drove off without them later in the day.

Jeff, Graciela, the boys showed up (2.5 of them). She said something about
end of October being the due date. I should have gotten a picture of them
rested. They will be less energetic come December.

Jeff Sailed his Meansis and the kids sailed my victoria. I was busy keep
the dust on the side of the pond down with my tugboat.

The winds were good later in the day. Jeff amost had his bow under on one
reach. That is always fun to see.

The day went quickly. It was nice to have the temperatures in below the 90
mark at least that is how it seamed.

We had lots of good conversations as the boats moved back and forth across
the pond. Jeff was saying he was thinking the boys might invest in a
Victoria. Don was talking about how he had his Banshee up for sale. Herbs
Victoria did well today. Sometimes the conversations over took the sailing
and we found boats waiting for the end of the conversation at the side of
the pond.

Charge up your batteries and we'll see ya at the pond.

Jul 20, 2008, 08:50 PM
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Sounds like a good day!! I will have to do all my sailing through the boards here for the next few weeks. So keep on sharing the updates and the pics. RG65 hull was the framed epoxy hull? And are 16 oz ballast home made?

Jul 20, 2008, 11:33 PM
~~~~/) ~/) Sierra MYC
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Hi Manny,

The RG65 Harvey brought to the pond was purchased off ebay and made from a mold, (Fiberglass- Epoxy). He bought some 16oz weights off ebay too. I'm building a Jiff that will be blasa with one of Harvey Weights.

Jul 21, 2008, 12:07 AM
Taking care of the pond.
I had a great time on the pond today. It started to sprinkle when I was loading up the boats. I though should I pack or unpack. It stopped sprinkling at about 8:30 AM so I headed to Visalia. I got to the pond at 9:30 AM. Herb was already on the water. I put my new to me Fairwind in the pond. When the wind died down I put my tugboat in the pond. I was sailing both the Fairwind and tug and taking pictures at the same time. What a wild time, I think I only hit the bank 1 or 2 times.
Jul 21, 2008, 01:16 AM
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Close, Ron, but you'll have to use one of your own cigars. The material is TriSpi25. I don't know what the minimum amount is you have to purchase to get it. Another very nice material was Test 505, but it became hard to get. One of the online boat dealers is now carrying it under their own name. Look for the dealer that sells the CR 914.

Chuck Black is a great old guy in his 80's that has designed many boats in his day and just enjoys building good sails for a reasonable price. His Vic sails are $55 for the TriSpi25 version. We did a club purchase last year and if you can order three of the same suite, he will discount them 10% and ship all three for the price of one ($8, if I remember correctly).
Jul 27, 2008, 08:34 PM
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Sierra MYC Pond Report July 27, 2008

Yo Commodores,

Today, thanks to Commodore Susie and Ron's limousine service, we were honored to have Commodore of BMYC/Class Secretary Soling 50's/ and Friend Mr. Stan Ogden join us. Thank you Susie and Ron!!! And thank you to Stan for making the trip.

Herb was the first one at the pond today. I got there around 9:30 and Herb had his Victoria already going. I had a tugboat, Victoria, ODOM and a IOM. Don soon followed with his Tugboat and 1 meter Voyager. Ron, Stan, and Susie pulled in next I think with a Soling 50, Victoria, and a bunch of support equipment for the trip. Jeff, Christian, Jonathan, Graciela showed up with a Victoria. Tim pulled up with his ODOM, Trawler, and Victoria. Rick Harvey had his Fairwind, ODOM, and RG65 hull with him. Marc and Tyler rounded out the group with a Rowboat, Catamaran, Snipe, and Footy. We had a couple of walk ups one of the guys was from Fresno and knew Rick H.

Jeff brought a marker and helped by setting it in the water. Don said he has an RG65 hull off Ebay. Rick H had his new RG65 hull there. He also shared some "Sailboat Xing" signs, and showed off another new 2.4 mhz radio, very nice. Rick H also turned over a radio and RX to Marc who is ready to add electronics to his Catamaran. Stan showed off his BIG GREEN Soling 50. Very nice. Don said he hasn't sold his 14' Banshee yet if someone wants a good boat. Tim is selling his Trawer, that is another nice looking boat.

Stan got us up to date on all the goings on with our Southern cousins. BMYC is thinking of going to the ODOM as one of their Class Boats. Right now they race Soling 50's, Fairwinds, and Victorias. They were getting Footys but I'm didn't hear of a count on those.

Later in the day Graciela came back with a watermellon. It was very good and we are all looking forward to our crop of watermellon in the club house next year from all the seeds we planted.

Lot of conversations were going at the same time. This is where we talked about the folks not at the pond so if your ears were burning... Stan got to try out the ODOM he sailed 180 for quite a while. I was thinking I might have to get me another boat. He also had a chance to try an IOM.

Ron is working a deal for Marc and Tyler to get a full size catamaran. Something about missing DMV records seams to be holding that up.

I was glad to see Tyler, Christian and Jonathan sailing most of the day. Susie reported she didn't win big but she had a smile on her face so the Casino must not have been that bad to her.

We have that Labor Day BBQ coming up in September. Those that like to plan those things should be emailing Commodore Don.

Charge up your batteries and we will see you at the pond.

Jul 27, 2008, 09:12 PM
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How did Rick like that rg65 hull? Seems like that might be an up and coming class. Is it the epoxy hull out of Texas ?
Jul 27, 2008, 11:09 PM
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I was considering buying a tug just to rescue my sailboat if stranded. Done deal now- maybe I could use velcro along the sides to bring it back in.

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