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Jul 31, 2007, 04:54 PM
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Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
use it. Any help available?

Dave
Jul 31, 2007, 04:57 PM
John Stevenson
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com>
wrote:

>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>use it. Any help available?
>
>Dave


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tool-and-Cutte...mZ160141514204
Jul 31, 2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


John Stevenson wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>> idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>> use it. Any help available?
>>
>> Dave

>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tool-and-Cutte...mZ160141514204


Thanks John, I've just contributed 7.50 to your "find the floor" fund ;-)

The one I've bought has the standard brackets with parallel centres but
nothing else - however I've had the Darex M3 parts lying around for a
while so maybe I can adapt them - anybody else done this?

Dave
Aug 01, 2007, 01:32 AM
ravensworth2674
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


Dave,
I also have a Clarkson Mk1 and can recommend John's CD.
With only the two centres, you are limited and need something which
will do lathe tools as well. Again, you should be looking for a
magnetic table- cos they add immeasurably to the versatility.
Right! The Clarkson 'goodies' are expensive but the CD will show you
what was/is available and can be replicated. The Toolholder for lathe
tools can be damned near anything. I made my first out best B&Q 2"X2"
and bolts and wing nuts from 'Wilkinsons' The two recommended
abrasive discs are standard items at Cromwell Tools. You do need the
extension nut and I would make it a first job and left hand
threading!!!! I haven't got round to Darex but any holder which is
capable of being tilted with work. I have seen Stent, Quorn and Kennet
stuff working on the table. John's CD has Boxford stuff included and
again, reference to Boxford goodies may be clearer than the Clarkson
instructions included. My experience!

In a fairly recent MEW, there is a reference to graduating the
Clarkson. Worth a look! One of my mates graduated his table to improve
things.

Sorry, it is becoming a history lesson and not really intended but i
would suggest that you join the YahooGroups Quorn-Owners group for
added interst and there are still bits left which you might find
useful. Somewhere, is the reference to 4 facet drill grinding to add.

Hopefully, this will keep you busy to the weekend!

Cheers

Norm

Aug 01, 2007, 02:09 AM
Peter A Forbes
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:

>I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>use it. Any help available?
>
>Dave


Pictures of our unit at:

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm

March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.

Also recommend that CD of John S's

We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
scrapped.

Peter
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Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
Aug 01, 2007, 02:40 AM
ravensworth2674
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


On Aug 1, 8:09 am, Peter A Forbes <die...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nom...@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
> >I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
> >idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
> >use it. Any help available?

>
> >Dave

>
> Pictures of our unit at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm
>
> March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
> any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.
>
> Also recommend that CD of John S's
>
> We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
> odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
> fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
> scrapped.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: die...@easynet.co.uk
> Web:http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



Aug 01, 2007, 02:57 AM
ravensworth2674
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


Dave,
I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that I
have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from the
radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have a
full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to a
point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
horrendously expensive tools.
I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings for
air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which is a
thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two speed-
and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3 way
'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I did
it with the latter 2 items earlier.

Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond the
orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the subject-
and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
environment.

In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with improvements-
thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!

Norm

Aug 01, 2007, 05:14 AM
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


ravensworth2674 wrote:
> Dave,
> I also have a Clarkson Mk1 and can recommend John's CD.
> With only the two centres, you are limited and need something which
> will do lathe tools as well. Again, you should be looking for a
> magnetic table- cos they add immeasurably to the versatility.
> Right! The Clarkson 'goodies' are expensive but the CD will show you
> what was/is available and can be replicated. The Toolholder for lathe
> tools can be damned near anything. I made my first out best B&Q 2"X2"
> and bolts and wing nuts from 'Wilkinsons' The two recommended
> abrasive discs are standard items at Cromwell Tools. You do need the
> extension nut and I would make it a first job and left hand
> threading!!!! I haven't got round to Darex but any holder which is
> capable of being tilted with work. I have seen Stent, Quorn and Kennet
> stuff working on the table. John's CD has Boxford stuff included and
> again, reference to Boxford goodies may be clearer than the Clarkson
> instructions included. My experience!
>
> In a fairly recent MEW, there is a reference to graduating the
> Clarkson. Worth a look! One of my mates graduated his table to improve
> things.
>
> Sorry, it is becoming a history lesson and not really intended but i
> would suggest that you join the YahooGroups Quorn-Owners group for
> added interst and there are still bits left which you might find
> useful. Somewhere, is the reference to 4 facet drill grinding to add.
>
> Hopefully, this will keep you busy to the weekend!
>
> Cheers
>
> Norm
>


Thanks Norm. Have you kept yours on its pedestal? I'm wondering whether
it would make sense to mount it on a wheeled trolley so it can be
trundled out of the way when not needed - or even on a (strong) shelf.

I'm pleased you didn't say which weekend it would keep me busy to -
there are so many other jobs on the list that this will have to wait for
a while before the right tuit arrives.

Dave
Aug 01, 2007, 05:16 AM
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:54:23 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>> I've just become the proud owner of a Clarkson T&C grinder but I've no
>> idea what it can do, what attachments I should be looking for or how to
>> use it. Any help available?
>>
>> Dave

>
> Pictures of our unit at:
>
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Ward/Clark1.htm
>
> March Engineering handbooks were on ebay up to a week or so ago, I haven't done
> any Clarkson searches recently but they should still be there.
>
> Also recommend that CD of John S's
>
> We have the drill/reamer sharpening attachment on ours, and have picked up some
> odds and sods in the way of fittings/tooling since we acquired it, but the
> fittings tend to be expensive on ebay, despite most of the older machines being
> scrapped.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
> Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel


Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
as well?

Dave
Aug 01, 2007, 05:19 AM
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


ravensworth2674 wrote:
> Dave,
> I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that I
> have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from the
> radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have a
> full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
> Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to a
> point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
> horrendously expensive tools.
> I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings for
> air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
> unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which is a
> thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two speed-
> and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
> tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
> Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3 way
> 'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I did
> it with the latter 2 items earlier.
>
> Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond the
> orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the subject-
> and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
> environment.
>
> In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with improvements-
> thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!
>
> Norm
>


Now I'm going to really expose my ignorance - what would an air spindle
be used for?

Dave
Aug 01, 2007, 05:35 AM
Andrew Mawson
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?



"NoSpam" <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote in message
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> ravensworth2674 wrote:
> > Dave,
> > I deliberately left out comment of what accessories that

I
> > have for my Clarkson but I have a 'full set' minus a few bits from

the
> > radius turning attachment- although it works. In addirion, I have

a
> > full set from my homemade Quorn and Kennet. But!!!!
> > Since the days of all the aforementioned, things have moved on to

a
> > point where carbide is commonplace hence the demise of many
> > horrendously expensive tools.
> > I suggested Quorn_Owners because some of the additional fittings

for
> > air spindles is on file and whilst I haven't got round to it,
> > unquestionably this can be readily adapted from the Quorn- which

is a
> > thing for home constructors. Again, the Clarkson changed to two

speed-
> > and for good reason but we need a low, low speed to hone carbide
> > tooling with diamond pastes which are now readily available.
> > Again, John did a thing- call it a mock up- using collets and a 3

way
> > 'vice' and cheap DE grinder- which would have proved successful. I

did
> > it with the latter 2 items earlier.
> >
> > Tool and cutter grinding for amateur workers has moved on beyond

the
> > orthodox ;manuals. My comments were designed to open up the

subject-
> > and suggest moving on to what is now possible in the home
> > environment.
> >
> > In the past few hours, I have a copy of July's MEW with

improvements-
> > thank God- on the Worden. Another Round to It!
> >
> > Norm
> >

>
> Now I'm going to really expose my ignorance - what would an air

spindle
> be used for?
>
> Dave


Grinding the flutes of reamers, slot drills and endmills. The silky
smooth travel allows the object being ground to follow the toothrest
without jerks.

(If anyone has any Clarkson air spindle collets please get in touch as
I only have one with my spindle!)

AWEM


Aug 01, 2007, 05:51 AM
Peter A Forbes
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Re: Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:


>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>as well?
>
>Dave


The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)

The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO

Peter
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Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
Web: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
Aug 01, 2007, 07:04 AM
ravensworth2674
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


Dave,
Do accept the quips!
First, mine is minus the pedestal because I couldn't lift the bloody
thing in and out of the car. Mine fits nicely on a worktop and is so
solid that I haven't bothered to bolt it down. Put it on wheels- if
you must( funny fellow, this)
Frankly, I think that you would be OK with John's CD and I would be
heading for Quorn_owners 3 sites which will explain all sorts of
things but will do the Deckel and the Quorn handbook- not the words
and music one but enough in operating instructions to should set ups
which you can modify for your machine.

I have no idea of what else is on the March book but might I continue
to teach you to suck eggs- sorry, mate! So here goes.
Since the Mk1 there has been a change to double pulleys which adds to
versatility. however, with the increase in carbide tooling, diamond
wheels are fairly cheap and available. Again, diamond lapping with
paste was unheard of in home workshops until fairly recently but you
will require a very slow speed. The Clarkson is perfectly capable of
coping with the new demands. It does mean that you will have to make
your own laps- but that is part of the challenge.

I did mention tool interchangeability and it gets a bit exciting with
a Quorn head- with collets, on a Stent tilting bracket with a set of
depth stops to do very fancy stuff. Only last night I had a mate
phoning about making new depth stops on a baby Clarkson- the Stent.

So I did try to open the matter more fully in the hope that you will
get more and more benefit. It is only a beginning- you have a nice
machine!

Cheers

Norm

Aug 01, 2007, 07:41 AM
David Littlewood
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Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


In article <sap0b3hic9egok9uaq5qigik83fq1p15vb@4ax.com>, Peter A Forbes
<diesel@easynet.co.uk> writes
>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>>as well?
>>
>>Dave

>
>The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
>(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)
>
>The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO
>

Well, it's sort of half useful - and, IMO, somewhat in the opposite
direction to what Peter said. It has a list of all the accessories
(standard and optional extras) and instructions on how to sharpen the
common types of cutters - but it is rather lacking in basic instructions
on how to use the machine itself.

Most of these things can be found by inspection and trial and error. I
know I had this experience when I acquired a March Mk2 a couple of
months ago (that is the same as the Clarkson, just rebadged).

David
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Aug 01, 2007, 07:47 AM
Peter A Forbes
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Re: Re: Re: Info on Mk1 Clarkson T&C grinder?


On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:51:21 +0100, Peter A Forbes <diesel@easynet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:16:29 +0100, NoSpam <nomail@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is everything on John's CD (already ordered) or do I need the handbook
>>as well?
>>
>>Dave

>
>The March handbook is the official book for the machine and is not on John's CD
>(or at least, I haven't seen it there!)
>
>The book is a useful reference for the machine, but not on how to use it IMO
>
>Peter


Had a quick scan through my own book, what is probably most useful is the list
of available tooling, and there 'are' sections on how to sharpen tools etc.

My book also came with another 6-page brochure inside called "Tool & Cutter
Care" also by March engineering.

Price for a Mk1 T&C cutter grinder (in 2001) was 364.50 plus VAT
Price for the drill/reamer jig was 1344.00 plus VAT
Price for the Air Bearing Flute Grinding Attachment was 1190.00 plus VAT

Peter
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