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View Poll Results: Should the US government provided free health care for all citizens?
Yes, government funded healthcare similar to the one in Canada should be available to US citizens. 8 13.79%
Yes, but the US should have a much better government funded health care than the one in Canada. 22 37.93%
Things are good the way they are, leave it alone. 28 48.28%
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Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:09 AM
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Government funded health care anyone?


A poll to see how many would like the US government to offer health care similar to what Canada has.
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:15 AM
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I don't see a poll.
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:31 AM
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Sorry it took a bit longer to enter the questions than I though it would.
Next time I'll cut and paste them from a Word Processor.
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:32 AM
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Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:35 AM
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No option for "things are not good the way they are, but socialized medicine is not the answer". Nor an option for "set up an elective socialized care system which covers everyone who wants in, operates from it's own withholding system only for those who want in, is prohibited from other tax subsidies, and has it's own accounting system which is entirely separate from all over taxes".
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:49 AM
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No option for "things are not good the way they are, but socialized medicine is not the answer". Nor an option for "set up an elective socialized care system which covers everyone who wants in, operates from it's own withholding system only for those who want in, is prohibited from other tax subsidies, and has it's own accounting system which is entirely separate from all over taxes".
I wanted to include similar options but I didn't think it out before starting the thread. (my first poll)
Those are valid points.
I just wonder what most think of the health care system in Canada and whether they could live with it.
I personally don't think that Americans (at least my peers) would like it.
Those with more money would still get better care and those with little or no money would move up a notch but for people like me it would be a loss and probably and extra tax too.
I have good health insurance (double coverage from both mine and my wifes employment)
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:52 AM
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canadian healthcare is immoral because of the ban on private care...and this places the blood of those they kill, directly on every citizens hands who supports the ban.

it's also immoral because it treats adults as tools and children

and it is still a two tier system because they allow people to leave for care...if they can afford it.

if they were consistent, they'd not only trap people in the system by banning private care, they'd prevent anyone from traveling for care...to do otherwise 'dilutes' the pool by allowing money to be spent elsewhere...precisely the reason private care is banned.
Old Apr 01, 2007, 12:57 AM
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Healthcare for everyone is a good thing, right?
Old Apr 01, 2007, 01:01 AM
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Of course it is. Everyone needs it. Shoes and food are also good things everyone needs. There are a lot of things everyone needs. Why this means the State should buy any of them for us, I have no idea.
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The Canadian Health Care System is going through changes, and as stated in the Canadian Health System home page "is a work in Progress."

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/index_e.html

Although what Mr.Goat says may appear to be how things work in their system, there is a lot more to it.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/16/1661

Me thinks Mr.Goat has overreacted, things are not just black and white and not as "blood red" as he sees it.
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Of course it is. Everyone needs it. Shoes and food are also good things everyone needs. There are a lot of things everyone needs. Why this means the State should buy any of them for us, I have no idea.
Like an education?
Old Apr 01, 2007, 01:36 AM
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More on changes to the Canadian Health System.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/
Old Apr 01, 2007, 01:38 AM
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The Canadian Health Care System is going through changes, and as stated in the Canadian Health System home page "is a work in Progress."

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/index_e.html

Although what Mr.Goat says may appear to be how things work in their system, there is a lot more to it.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/16/1661

Me thinks Mr.Goat has overreacted, things are not just black and white and not as "blood red" as he sees it.
Anything can be called a work in progress. Bans on *any* private care are suffficient to prove my contentions correct.

I note the second link has a fellow claiming that allowing parallel private systems will damage the socialized systems "competitive advantage". Well, yes, allowing anyone to actually compete will damage the 'competitive advantange' of using state power to outlaw competitions...which is quite a 'competitive advantage'.
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Like an education?
yup, that too. i'm not as hardcore on that one...but socialized medicine, especially ones which ban competitors and force people into the system, are immoral.
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How about roads. Should they pay for them?


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