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Some Interesting Tidbits on the state of U.S. Health Care.
I gleaned this facts from an Article of the State of Healthcare in America from my Earthlink News (Health Forum).
(A) The U.S. is the World Leader (Highest) in Health Care Cost as a percentage of Income. (B) 20 Nations enjoy a Higher average life expectancy than the U.S. does. (C) The U.S. is 27th in the World in Infant Mortality. (D) 16% of the GDP in the United States goes to Health Care. (E) The U.S. consumer is not getting much Per Dollar & is the Most expensive system in the world. (F) Health Coverage Down as Costs Rise. *For all those who think we don't think we have any problems with our Health Care System, Read The Above Again! Any suggestions on how to Fix the system? Nationalized Health Care Plan? Tort Reform so lawyers can't savage Doctors with Malpractice claims? -Mike- |
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National Health Care .. once again is Un-constitutional, and there fore not allowed. If you want it ... lobby your congressmen to get the Constitution Admended. I think one of the biggest reasons (right behind government subsidies) for rising health care costs is the astronomical premiums in Malpractice insurance. logan5 |
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I have been hurt by insurance co. that routinely denied claim until you give up. That is grounds for violence. They are frauds in many instances. They pay pols. to look the other way as they steer us into ever more fraudulent schemes for their profit and our demise. I can see a day when I will expire from their manipulation when old. The contract that states that you have no recourse against the managed care system is not a valid contract as it is under duress. The system is corrupt from the base to the tip. Their use of previous condition alone is enough to warrant dismantling. All involved in that system should be ashamed.
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Last edited by coastalflyer; Sep 09, 2002 at 08:15 AM.
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It always amazed me that Health Insurance Companies can DENY Health Insurance claims after you have PAID your Premiums. The way I see it, Either you are SICK or you ARE NOT, I think we should be able to have some recourse if an Insurance company decides to Stiff You on a legitimate Insurance Claim. -Mike- P.S. - I knew a Guy who had a Wife that contracted MS & was a slobbering wheel chair bound individual. The Insurance company decided they didn't want to pay the high cost anymore so they just tagged her as "No Ill" & used that as their bailout from the situation. |
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut....html#section8 It lays out exactly what is allowed. Anything that is not covered by Ariticle 1 Section 8 is reserved as State's Rights. Now, there is a loophole that no party has ever used to legitimize their agenda simply because it cuts both ways. However, I've seen many people use it privately in debates. Can you find it? Logan5 |
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Last edited by logan5; Sep 09, 2002 at 09:22 AM.
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Ive told my parents and freinds that if Im ever hurt really bad to deny knowing me. I want them to think Im dead broke and with no means of support. Seems ones who cant pay get treated first while ones who have money or insurance get either wrung out for their last dime or lie bleeding to death while the hospital "verifies" your coverage.
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1. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; 2. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. Daren |
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So, if someone were to say that a National Health Care will provide for the General Welfare of the United States, I could also say that recalling all Gun Control Laws, there by making it easier for Citizens to arm and protect themselves also provides for the General Welfare of the Country. I could even go as far as saying that all medical and educational benefits be withheld from all non-citizens and non-legal aliens so as to better provide for the General Welfare of Citizens and Legal Aliens. It has been largly argued and backed by the man Madison himself that the "General Welfare" was in respect to the numerated powers granted to the Government ... not in addition too. http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj16n1-11.html http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...enwelfare.html so again, show me where in the Constitution that allows for the Federal Government to be involved in a National Health Care system? Logan5 |
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Last edited by logan5; Sep 09, 2002 at 10:19 PM.
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You're too late, your argument that the Constitution doesn't allow for a National Health Care System doesn't hold water. Why, because a Precedent has been set, Medicare & Medicaid ARE National Health Care Programs & have been used for Some time. I don't think the Constitution will stop a Healthcare Plan. Actually a National Helathcare plan would allow us to eliminate Medicare & Medicaid as it would simply absorb those two programs. I can envision a National Healthcare Plan that would be Voluntary & you would have to PAY into it just like any other plan but the amount you pay would be income based. For those who don't want to participate, fine, you can go off & hire your own Doctor or Hospital but don't drag the Constitution into this, that dog don't hunt! -Mike- |
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And by your arguments, it would seem that any violation of the Constitution as long as it passes Congress is fine by you? Better be careful about that....looking the other way when the situation suits you can and will bite you sooner or later. Logan5 |
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Last edited by logan5; Sep 11, 2002 at 08:03 AM.
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So we should Abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid & Welfare Because they are un-constitutional? Get Real, it Ain't gonna happen! We now stray so far from the Constitution that following it to the letter is almost impossible. The Constitution was written like 200+ Years ago & I'm not so sure that it is always relavent to todays world. Don't forget that this is just a piece of paper written by the founders of this country a long time ago, it's not the Bible. -Mike- |
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My question would be, how do we decide what is relevant and what is not? How do we decide which part to uphold and which to throw out? It may "just be a piece of paper", but the words and ideas on that paper are at the heart of the liberties and freedom that we enjoy today. That's at least how I see it. I have to agree with Logan5 here - if you don't like part of the Constitution, by all means use the method provided by it to admend it. Things get scary in my mind when we just say, ah, we haven't followed that thing in years, so why worry about it now? Just my $0.001, Eric |
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