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Old Feb 20, 2007, 08:55 PM
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Yeah, but by the time it was fully operational there wasn't that much to fight and most of the skilled pilots had been killed off?

Its a sweet plane, but no story is the whole story!

WHAT? The P-38 was around before the Mustang,corsair and Hellcat
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Old Feb 20, 2007, 09:00 PM
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The P-38F was the first one to engage in extensive combat, primarily in North Africa, New Guinea and the Solomons in 1942 !
Old Feb 21, 2007, 12:05 AM
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WHAT? The P-38 was around before the Mustang,corsair and Hellcat
Although Spinneti is way off base with his comment about it not being ready until most pilots had been killed off, the Corsair came into service relatively close to the time as the P-38......the P-38 had 1 year head start.

Corsair maiden: April 29, 1940
Entered into service: December 28, 1942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4U_Corsair

P-38 maiden: Jan 27, 1939
Entered into Service: 1941 (no exact day or month provided)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-38

Hellcat
maiden flight: 26 june 1942
Entered service: 1943
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F6F_Hellcat

Mustang maiden : 26 Oct 1940
Entered service: 1942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-51_Mustang
Old Feb 21, 2007, 07:10 AM
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My Friend,you are right! But take into account when they were actually all fully deployed as well! Most units were not
transitioned and up to full strength until 1943(F4U) and with some planes (P-51)1944. There was plenty of Good pilots on the other side waiting for them when these planes arrived on the scene!
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Old Feb 21, 2007, 12:34 PM
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Gentlemen,

I see no reason why we need to argue kill ratios, deployment dates, etc for such a fine warbird. Why not let's all just enjoy flying our replicas, eh?

Pat
Old Feb 21, 2007, 12:36 PM
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Pat -- I agree... OBVIOUSLY, the "Buffalo" was the better aircraft anyway...
Old Feb 21, 2007, 12:51 PM
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Pat -- I agree... OBVIOUSLY, the "Buffalo" was the better aircraft anyway...
Buffalo?!?!? You're nuts! The Whirraway was tops!
Old Feb 21, 2007, 12:55 PM
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the planes were all quite good but it was the pilots that made them famous

Sooo, if you want to argue a plane lets get into some online WW2 combat sims.

In the online games of Air Warrior(1, 2, and 3) I still remember ripping numerous fighters to pieces in A-26B Invaders and Mosquitos.

In those games the P-38J, N1K2, and Ki-84 ruled the Pacific theater.
The Me109F, FW D9, and Spitfire IX ruled the European theater.

But an experienced pilot could rip a fighter to pieces in an A-26B Invader if they knew what they were doing.

Basically, any plane can be lethal in the right hands and trying to say one is better than the other is like trying to say FL is better than CT. In the winter, sure FL is better. But when Fall comes around, CT is better. It all depends on the situation.

So, if you want to keep trying to compare the planes go fight it out online and record the fight so we can all see the outcome and set the record straight :P
Old Feb 21, 2007, 02:05 PM
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So, if you want to keep trying to compare the planes go fight it out online and record the fight so we can all see the outcome and set the record straight :P

Sorry but those online sims are about as real as watching TV and playing
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Old Feb 21, 2007, 02:23 PM
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when was the last time you tried one??

I know Microsoft has a combat simulator 3 that came out a few years back and IL-2 is also supposed to be very good.

Back when I played in 1998-2000, there was Air Warrior 3 which has a full realism arena with red out, black out, high speed stalls, etc...

I can't look up IL-2 at work(proxy filters) so I do not know what it has but I believe I tried it out a while back and found it to be quite realistic.

I believe Microsoft's Combat Simulator might be better. Afterall it's Flight Simulator is simply amazing.

What was the last simulator you tried?
Old Feb 21, 2007, 02:26 PM
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Oh great. Now we've gone from aircraft history to Combat Sim.

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Old Feb 21, 2007, 02:47 PM
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lol, fine fine

and I almost thought I'd have a chance to spank you guys for fun

I'm just saying trying to compare planes without the pilots that made them great seems to be an argument that has no end.
Old Feb 21, 2007, 03:12 PM
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LOL, yeah have to compare planes AND pilots. Just look at the two highest scoring aces of WWII. Both flew Lightnings.

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Old Feb 21, 2007, 03:15 PM
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Old Feb 21, 2007, 05:02 PM
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The P-38 was a formidable weapon in the hands of an experienced and daring pilot. It was big and bulky, but with the aileron boost in the J models it could roll quickly. Having the guns in the nose meant no convergence issues like wing-mounted guns, so the guns were effective at a wider range of distances than other fighters. Any enemy pilot with any sense would get really nervous if a P-38 turned head-on to him. Every plane had its strengths and weaknesses, so there is no one "best" plane, just "favorites".


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