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Aug 16, 2006, 09:47 PM
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Storm Launcher - Modifications, Pictures and just about anything else.


I thought since the other thread found here https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535884
was getting to be a bit long and jumbled with posts about delivery dates and such I would start a new thread. Post up modifications, pictures, videos or just ask questions on how to's and what ifs and leave the other thread for the "When the heck is Wally World going to ship mine out".
I'll start:
I have modified my Storm Launcher with 2 Fiagos and am running stock props and a Tanic pack 730mAh LiPo. Pictures and videos to follow.

I would like to start by saying I have read several posts where people are having trouble with having enough power to get in the air. You do need to break-in the motors for at least one pack maybe more before you get the full potential out of the motors. UAV said that they should be doing this at the factory but it seems that maybe they are not doing it, so I thought I should say it upfront to help those with there new SL.

Also this is a GREAT candidate for brushless setups (then again what isnt)

The following is a list that was posted at the begining of the other thread courtesy of Barnyardflyer and has several very good modificatios and instructions in it so i thought I would post it here as well:


Ernest Butler suggests the following mods can be tried, but are not really necessary.

1. Even though thats a really good battery, and it comes with it's own protective case and is self plugging, you can run larger capacity battery's or save some weight by using your own battery with a few easy mod's.

I have run a three cell battery on those motors that come with it once on one that had hobby gear in it,(the gear it comes with probably won't support three cells) but like I said , once. It melted the motor supports.

2. It comes with prop guards, unless you plan to stick your fingers in the props , I would remove them, before even trying to fly it. It even shows how in the instructions, very easy to do, and gives the most dramatic improvement in flight performance. They also cause some drag , so you do lose some flight time.

The rest will void the warranty , and is meant for hobby guys, from Ernest personally.

3. Do the common spring mod, like the aero ace, on the transmitter, then it will fly hands off.

4. Cut off the horizontal, yes , thats right, cut it off. Its much more maneuverable without it. Its just there for looks and helps strengthen the verticals. It also provides a little of the self recovery, but mostly it just kills the effectiveness of the elevator. I have tried running the upper as an elevator too, but it's just unnecessary weight really.

As for removing the horizontal. I wouldn't say it flys better so much as it is more maneuverable. The horizontal serves as the trim for level flight. This allows the elevator to trim level with the main deck, and act in some way, as more wing area.

Removing the Horizontal requires that you trim the elevator up about 3 degrees (which would be hard to put in the instruction). And it loses a little of the self recover in a dive. But the airflow with full up elevator is not blocked by the upper horizontal, making the elevator more responsive.

Experimenting with different size verticals and horizontal, And changing angles is always fun. Its a give and take in performance , function and can greatly change flight characteristics, good and bad

5. Strip the battery down to just the cells and install you own plug, like deans connectors. It will weigh less and then you can use your own battery's and charger if you already own some in that size range.
Lipo Battery Warning!
I feel I must say that i can't recommend that just anybody go prying apart the stock battery unless you feel like you know what your doing and are willing to take the risk in destroying the battery or worse . The few samples I had were relatively easy to take apart but that could change if they use more glue on the battery case seams.

Any 7.4 volt lipo will do as long as it around the same weight and can handle at least 10 amps continuous. The case and the connecting pins that the stock lipo comes and boat uses weighs about 14 grams alone, So if you do away with it you can save quit a bit of weight or run a larger capacity battery. I have run up to 1050's on mine.
I shouldn't say any lipo, cause some brands that I have just won't put out the power that other brands will. Especially compared to the cells that are made for the Hydro.

6. If you don't care about looks, and want pure flight time and performance, remove the intake and exhaust, then the decals. It won't look as cool but it will be lighter. I think it does just fine with them all on though, but if your looking for that last gram....
The empty weight (no battery) should be around 7.3 Oz's in stock configuration.

7. The equivalent hobby gear in weight and performance would be a receiver the weight of a GWS receiver and two striped down 5 amp GWS speed controls or similar. Also a 8 gram servo or less. Its easy to get into the radio compartment to change over. Of course you would need a computer radio with mixing to make it work.

8. Good way to save 4 or 5 grams by carefully removing the shrink wrap and using corrsion X.

9. Transmitter mod. I just Hot glued the top of some hobby sticks from a hobby transmitter, on top of the joy sticks. Use threaded rod for a more permanent solution.
I did this mod all the time with my game pads for computer flying games. Just felt better to me cause I fly RC so much I guess. Plus you almost have to, if you fly using two fingers on one stick. I don't but some do.
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Just unscrew the tops off a old Hobby transmitter and mount them on.

10. The motors are real similar to these here http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?i...100&pid=V738321 but are a few grams heavier. The magnets in the BP 130 are stronger and lighter ( cost more) but the armature has a cold wind. If you take the armature out of the Hydro and insert into the BP 130, makes for a lighter motor with good power.

As far as replacements, I don't think that spinmasters will list the motors as a replaceable part. As they don't expect a kid to go after it with a soldering iron. What we as hobbyist can hope for is that there is enough sold that a company buys a bunch just to part them out like some do with the Aero Ace.

As far as brushless , You could always go with Feigao's or the Medusa's

Of course, the cheap route would be to make your own little hot wound 20 mm CDrom's. Weigh about the same and your options are limitless.

The motors on the SL each put out about 110- 120 grams (4.2 oz's) thrust each or about 8.5 onces of thrust total with the stock props.

Ernest's flying tips.

1. It is easy to land on water, and at different speeds. Full speed touch and goes are easy in water also.
Only problem that I have seen in landing is that , especially in pro mode, it becomes more sensitive on the steering as you throttle back, so it becomes pretty easy to roll it over in the air, and go in nose first. Doesn't hurt it, but if it doesn't pop back out of the water up right, your swimming .

Driving on the water varies with the water and wind really. It handles best on choppy water and is easy to drive around at what ever speed with little fear of it flipping.

In smooth water you have to hold back on the elevator to keep the back of the sponson in the water. This keeps it from spinning out at mid speed, and brings it up on plane quicker. With practice, you can spin it on a dime right were you want it.

Ernest's first out of box flight report.

I will give you a full report, good and bad.

First off, out of the box, some of the fiber tape used to secure the motor support was not stuck down. The Tape did not seem sticky anymore (I guess from the heat in shipping) and wouldn't stay stuck. I just removed it (it was stuck real well in some areas), and replaced it with clear tape (looks better anyway).
Also my windshield sticker had the same problem. A little heat and some clear tape fixed it.

Mike's boat did not have that problem.

Seem to have very good power. Would barely pull vertical with a fresh charge AH lipo. Really strong battery for sure.

Flying

First off, this one was about 10 grams lighter than my last one, so thats good. ( 260 grams RTF, stock battery, no prop guards)

Straight out of the box, with the prop guards on, it flew, but not well. It was hard to tell because it was very windy. And the wind made me drive it straight into the asphalt, full throttle, from about 15 feet in the air.
It didn't do any damage, but the receiver board shifted forward and caused the elevator push rod to rub against it and stick. Easy fix. The bottom foam cover is just taped on , so I removed it , slide the receiver board back and secured it with a dab of hot glue.

I then waited for a calmer day.
It was finally calm so I went ahead and took the Prop Guards off (I hate those things), and went flying.
Very good power but one motor seemed stronger than the other. so I went ahead and landed , then run the motor in on the ground at a low throttle setting like it says in the instructions.
This seemed to fix it and I then had very good power on both motors.

Back to flying , I noticed that it did not seem to want to trim out in pitch, wanted to go up or down. I landed and looked at the horizontal. It looked like it had a small amount of negative incidents in it. That is a bad thing. It's suppose to have a slight amount of positive. I don't know what could have happened. If it was glued in incorrectly or if somebody changed something at the last minute by accident.

I readjusted it by re bending the crease and that helped quite a bit. But i guess I'm so use to flying with out the horizontal, I just didn't like the way it flew with it on , so I cut it off.

It flew really well then with excellent power. It would pull vertical with a fresh AH battery on take off. After the vertical would peter out, I could just let the nose drop and continue flying as normal.
Takes a little to get the elevator trimmed just right with the slide controls. I guess cause I'm use to push button trims or trims with clicks. This doesn't have that, and when your in the air, it's easy to move the trim to much. Best to trim it on smooth ground with short hops into the air and see how it flys.
I tend to just throw planes in the air and deal with the consequences afterward.

After that flight, i went ahead and removed the verticals and replaced them with some that were slightly taller made out of depron. The stock ones look to short to me, especially after you cut the horizontal off. For some reason , they are shorter than the earlier proto types. This helps it from weather veining into the wind as bad but I like looks that the taller verticals give me.

I also didn't have any problem performing nice tight rolls and loops.
Remember, to do a roll, you must be going full speed at altitude, pull the throttle back to half, then go full over. it will do a nice roll.

In short, It had very good power, But I would recommend to go ahead and remove the horizontal right away. This does just seem to make it fly much better. Especially if is not mounted properly.

Also if you have been in a cave and do not know what the Storm Launcher is here you go
Web site and video here: http://www.stormlauncher.com/


There you have it now lets see some modifications!
Last edited by parkerinc; Aug 17, 2006 at 01:02 AM.
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Aug 17, 2006, 12:43 AM
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Nice summary!

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Aug 17, 2006, 12:56 AM
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Just a few pictures of the Storm Launcher in flite for those few nay sayers that are still wondering if it flys. If I could ever get my video uploaded I will get them on here as well, have had bad luck with the video camera lately, the wife used it that must be whats wrong with it
Aug 17, 2006, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by parkerinc
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I have modified my Storm Launcher with 2 Fiagos and am running stock props and a Tanic pack 730mAh LiPo. Pictures and videos to follow.

I would like to start by saying I have read several posts where people are having trouble with having enough power to get in the air ...
...
If you need to modify it with two Feigao brushless motors, than there is something a miss. A toy should work straight out of the box. You can't expect everybody in the potential target group to read RC Groups.

Jürgen
Aug 17, 2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jurgen Heilig
If you need to modify it with two Feigao brushless motors, than there is something a miss. A toy should work straight out of the box. You can't expect everybody in the potential target group to read RC Groups.

Jürgen
Jurgen, I believe you misunderstood my post, the SL flys great stock. I decided to add the brushless setup as I do with all of my non-brushless planes.
Sorry if that was not clear.
Aug 17, 2006, 02:50 PM
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Jurgen, I believe you misunderstood my post, the SL flys great stock. I decided to add the brushless setup as I do with all of my non-brushless planes.
Sorry if that was not clear.
Well, the information you are spreading is a bit confusing.

In one SL thread, you got your SL on the 7th of August and you were not happy when you came back from the maiden:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...08&postcount=5

In another thread you got your SL on the 10th of August:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...&postcount=815

In the first thread you were already ordering brushless motors on the 10th.

I'll wait until there is some feedback from other SL customers coming in.

Jürgen
Aug 17, 2006, 03:25 PM
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Well thanks Jerken,
Once again, your Euro trash talk has left a bad taste in my mouth and ruined another, with what could have been helpful, thread.

Why do you insist on doing this. Is there something in the past that I said to you, to forces you to come behind and constantly try to find something wrong with mine and others effort to help out on what is just a cheap toy?

You have your own "flying boat" threads and I have never come on any of them and said anything negative about them. And believe me I could have.

I had intended to list all the mods and possible upgrades on this thread but I don't see the point now.

once again, thanks, your help in this adventure is about what I expected from you.
Aug 17, 2006, 03:32 PM
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I believe someone needs some ALOE VERA FOR THAT BURN!!!!!!
Aug 17, 2006, 03:41 PM
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jurgen, I swear, some people........all the mans posts seem clear enough to me, and I have read them all... you? in fact I think he has two storm launchers. maybe things are different in niederkassle, but it seems disrespectfull to jump in on other peoples threads, and automatically find little points to discredit either the person or the product. makes no sense.
Aug 17, 2006, 03:56 PM
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I believe someone needs some ALOE VERA FOR THAT BURN!!!!!!
Ok now that is funny.
Aug 17, 2006, 05:28 PM
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For that burn relief. some jurgens lotion
Aug 17, 2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jurgen Heilig
Well, the information you are spreading is a bit confusing.

In one SL thread, you got your SL on the 7th of August and you were not happy when you came back from the maiden:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...08&postcount=5

In another thread you got your SL on the 10th of August:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...&postcount=815

In the first thread you were already ordering brushless motors on the 10th.

I'll wait until there is some feedback from other SL customers coming in.

Jürgen

Hey Jurgen, before you try and correct me please learn how to read. I received my first SL on the 7th and was unhappy until I found out the motors needed broke in after doing so I was very pleased and noted that fact in that very same thread. The one I received on the 10th was for a friend(But I own now, due to a trade), and so it states in that post. Yes believe it or not I am intelligent enough to have some brushless motors on hand and install them in just a few hours an order some others I was told would work well with it also, last time I checked I can do whatever I feel like to my planes. Feel free and WAIT for other reports that is your right. Its just sad that you are so small minded and so unhappy in life that you have to come on here and act like an A$$, but from looking at all your other posts it seems that is the only way you know how to act. To bad you were not raised better. I am so happy I have an ignore button on here.....good bye Jurgen! If you would like an unedited version of my response please PM me your email and I will glad to let you know how I honestly feel!
Last edited by parkerinc; Aug 17, 2006 at 09:05 PM.
Aug 17, 2006, 09:07 PM
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edit: Too harsh even for me
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Aug 17, 2006, 10:59 PM
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Jurgen, I almost forgot, I was wondering if you could get your dog to pose for a picture with this Hydro like you did the others?
Ouch... Now that one smarted...
Aug 17, 2006, 11:56 PM
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Jurgen has, it seems similar interests to mine. So I have read quite a few of his posts, and have developed a respect for his opinion, and a bit of a callus as well.
Although, he can be a bit rough, I see it as an attempt at dry humor. I just picture him with that same smirky smile I've seen in some of his videos.
I hope I'm not wrong....
ScottB


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