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May 18, 2006, 03:41 PM
Wake up and smell the veg
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Rave

Double Decker 'Bus Lands at Heathrow...


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Eat your heart out Boeing!
May 18, 2006, 04:08 PM
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"Monumental" is right. How long do you reckon it will take to clear the a/c, clear the ramp (or the busses), clear customs, or (if there is an incident) clear the bodies?

Seems to me one former limiting factor in the size of passenger planes was the death toll if one crashed.

Remember the story about the Piper Cub/Auster that crashed into a cemetery in ______? At last count 300 bodies had been removed......

howell
May 18, 2006, 05:16 PM
Go get them Meg!
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It's the Ford Excursion SUV of the commercial airliner world.
May 18, 2006, 06:20 PM
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It's the Ford Excursion SUV of the commercial airliner world.

Bzzzt.....Rubbish. Those Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines are the most fuel efficient engines ever! When the number of people this plane can carry, together with aircraft weight, cargo and fuel consumption are taken into account they're equivalent to the fuel efficency of 1.5 litre car, which is, er, more fuel efficient than an SUV.....
May 18, 2006, 06:26 PM
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Does Hertz at Heathrow have 840 cars available for these passengers?
What's that do to the air quality?
How many of these SUVs can Heathrow (or any airport) put up with on any given day?
May 18, 2006, 06:38 PM
Go get them Meg!
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Originally Posted by norite
Bzzzt.....Rubbish. Those Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines are the most fuel efficient engines ever! When the number of people this plane can carry, together with aircraft weight, cargo and fuel consumption are taken into account they're equivalent to the fuel efficency of 1.5 litre car, which is, er, more fuel efficient than an SUV.....
Only if it's full at all times.

The Excursion gets 13 MPG, and seats 9, and so when fully occupied delivers 117 passenger miles per gallon. That is exactly the same logic behind the efficiency numbers for the Airbus.

The only difference is that every highway the Excursion drives on does not have to be upgraded to the tune of half a billion dollars. I mean really, is that what is considered "Efficient"?

It's a magnificent achievement, but it remains to be seen if it's a smart investment.
Last edited by lrsudog; May 18, 2006 at 06:45 PM.
May 18, 2006, 06:43 PM
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I hate unloading from large planes, seems like the actual flight is shorter.
May 18, 2006, 06:56 PM
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It’s a great achievement for airbus….

As for the Boeing swipe
Airbus has to do a complete redesign of it new A350
To compete with the 787… 6 to 8 very long years of it
Boeing is set to take this market

Boeing looks to be eating and eating well but its not there heart
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787...gramfacts.html
Last edited by aerogel; May 18, 2006 at 07:02 PM.
May 18, 2006, 08:22 PM
My other car...
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Bzzzt.....Rubbish. Those Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines are the most fuel efficient engines ever! When the number of people this plane can carry, together with aircraft weight, cargo and fuel consumption are taken into account they're equivalent to the fuel efficency of 1.5 litre car, which is, er, more fuel efficient than an SUV.....
Yeah, not to mention, I wonder how well it handles on rough dirt roads in bad weather?
May 18, 2006, 09:11 PM
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Anybody worried that with the size of these planes we are putting to many eggs in one basket?
May 18, 2006, 09:15 PM
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Anybody worried that with the size of these planes we are putting to many eggs in one basket?
Well in 10 years of service ill let you know
May 18, 2006, 09:26 PM
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Good luck on someone hijacking one of those!
May 18, 2006, 09:30 PM
Go get them Meg!
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Anybody worried that with the size of these planes we are putting to many eggs in one basket?

It's just the really vivid and messy nature of the potential death that makes it scary. One of those big, fat tourist buses with wings would have to crash every month to equal the number of people killed on American roads.
May 18, 2006, 10:01 PM
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Airbus bet on huge planes, Boeing is betting on mid sized planes.

Both can be right and it's better that they compete this way rather than both try to make a super jumbo.
May 18, 2006, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by norite
Full story here

Eat your heart out Boeing!
Good Lord that thing is big! Cudos to Airbus.

Like Aerogel said, it's prolly not a good time to take a swipe at Boeing as things appear to be turning around for them. For the first time in years, the value of Boeing’s backlog exceeds that of Airbus.

The new, largest 777 has taken nearly all the orders away from the A340-500 and 600. For all practical purposes the A340 is dead--unless someone starts giving fuel away.

The all-new 787 looks to be a real show stopper in the mid-size category, basically making obsolete the 757, 767 and A330.

The A350's THIRD design (still an A330 knockoff) has been roundly rejected by the majors as too narrow, too slow and not innovative enough. The airlines want a NEW PLANE.

The 747-8F has A380F potential customers delaying decisions. Emirates just dropped their 380F order--converting to passenger—while awaiting Boeing’s 747-8F specs.

That leaves Airbus with their wildly successful (though heavily discounted) A320 family and the A380 as new, sellable products leaving a great big gap in the mid-size product offering. Sure, they will sell some A330s because Boeing’s 787 backlog is a couple years out.

Meanwhile, Boeing has the bases covered with their very-successful 737 family for the single isle, the 787 and 777 covering the middle to mid large and the 747-8 (prolly just the freighter) taking a bite out of the A380’s order book.

So while Airbus agonizes over what to do with the A350, Boeing is thinking about an all-new replacement for 737. The B737/A320 families sell more units than all other Boeing and Airbus products combined, so a winner here could have major ramifications.

Anyways, competition is good, and I wish both companies success.
Last edited by Fishnut; May 18, 2006 at 10:49 PM.


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