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Aug 09, 2021, 10:28 PM
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Phoenix BAe Hawk Build Thread


This thread will suffice for my building process. I am new to jets but have been building from scratch for over a decade.. I found there wasn't a whole lot of info out there and I noticed this ARF went up $150 the week after I bought it!! (Model #: PMMA1623) I am so glad to have it now, but so far it does seem worth the extra $150... Two big things I did not realize when I ordered it... It comes with lights AND electric brakes. Everything I had previously seen on here had neither, people were talking about buying extraneous JP wheels/brakes and stuff.

One of the first things I started doing... tearing apart the "scale cockpit." It's not bad, but it's far from great. So I am in the process of repainting it all. Pulling the stickers off was a pain. I have some finishing touches to do, but not a whole lot. The main thing is that I printed some photos of some "scale" f-35 and T-X cockpits. I have designed some pieces that will be 3D printing for more of a "3D" cockpit for the printed screens to be mounted too. Stand by for those... I can upload the 3D files if anyone is ever interested.
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Aug 09, 2021, 10:34 PM
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Second thing I've done... New color. I wanted darkly contrasted colors on the bottom and I found this cool CF Ultraco. And an engine from my other project as welll, a 7 cylinder 90cc gas radial going in the Phoenix Waco. They just make some great stuff.
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Aug 09, 2021, 10:55 PM
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Just because...

UMS 7-90 Radial Engine First Start Up (0 min 26 sec)


Radial running.
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Sep 28, 2021, 12:17 PM
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Progress on this?
Oct 19, 2021, 02:11 AM
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Sorry didn't think anyone cared!

Still not don't but working on like 4 different planes right now. I ended up getting a jmb t7-a as well. Which even though it will be my first composite jet, I'm not super thrilled with the quality for the price...

Anyways, I've been working on the retracts lately. I bought some JP struts and someone in another thread said the retracts need modified to make them work. Well they really weren't kidding... They needed A LOT of modification. After drilling the retracts to fit the struts, they had to be shimmed with bits of aluminum can pieces to fit into the recess properly. Was a major pain, but I have it mostly figured out now. You can see I painted around the edges of the wheel recesses with black enamel paint.

I also put the lights into the wings. I cut the plastic covering off of the corners of the wings where the lights go and painted the wood with metallic silver acrylic paint before securing the wingtip lights. I also painted the flap hinges and the servo control rods/horns to camouflage them a bit which came out very well actually! Will take photos soon.

You can see the picture of my waco I am almost finished with, it has the exact same led light system. The white is a strobe and landing lights are controlled with a switch. Very impressed.

Most all the servos are in, hinges are all glued. Just about ready to put it all together.

Then you can see the trailer I made homemade between working on the planes. That thing was a ton of work. The top lifts up and has gas struts on it to prop itself up.
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Oct 19, 2021, 02:28 AM
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This is the cowl I painted for the Waco. I think I might end up doing a little painting on the Hawk at some point we well. Didn't realize how easy it is to babe your own stencils with wax paper, masking tape and an xacto.

And went to see the blue angels last week the f3t stole the show for sure. Sorry, a bunch of random stuff I know.
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Oct 20, 2021, 05:50 PM
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Here are the painted hinges and aileron controls. Upclose it is meh, but I think it will be great in the air. I wasn't a fan of the blueish/grey inside of the wingtip light housing area, so here you can see I removed it and painted it silver. Still needs another coat before I seal it all up.

Evntually I am going to design and 3D print a little fairing to hide the retracts too. The plastic of the wheel well ends are the retract, so I'll just come up with a little something for that on the printer in sketchup.
Oct 22, 2021, 05:40 AM
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Nice!

I don't know why this plane isn't more popular. It flies so nicely and is so cheap for what you get! I think I'm going to grab a couple more because I have a feeling they'll disco them soon.
Oct 22, 2021, 07:16 AM
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Nice!

I don't know why this plane isn't more popular. It flies so nicely and is so cheap for what you get! I think I'm going to grab a couple more because I have a feeling they'll disco them soon.
Right?? It is a very well made plane for what it is. I just wish they offered different colors. That's my only complaint. Even the cockpit is higher quality plastic than the cockpit that came in my $3,600 JMB T-7A. It's a nice plane for sure, with a 3D printer adding a couple pieces can really add to it too. Can't wait to see how it flys!
Oct 30, 2021, 06:32 AM
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Update... I have a Voxelabs Proxima 8.9 pro printer coming. It's a 4K resin 3D printer that will have great resolution to print some nice cockpit parts. This isn't the only jet I will be printing cockpit parts for. I will upload the STL files to Thingiverse when I'm done. They will keep the semi-scale vibe going and will by no means be "scale."

At this point my build mentality for this plane is, "every small detail makes a big difference." It's obviously a budget plane, and somewhat crude. Beautiful plane, but it's no composite jet that's for sure. I think that small things like taking the time to paint the control mechanisms with enamel paint, and hiding wires is really going to pay off in the end.

Cutting the turbine air intake cowls was interesting... Definitely have to be careful where you cut so you don't cut off too much. This manual is severely lacking in a lot of areas. Don't get me wrong, I think the quality of the model is acceptable; but the manual is not always right. I've done some things out of order and have been glad I did. For instance, the manual says to connect the two fuselage pieces prior to attaching the horiztonal/vert stabs... That's just a bad idea. If you wait to attach the nose side of the fuse then you can more easily access and run the extension wires for the stabilizers and mount the tank.

I am far from satisfied with the abrupt change from the fuse to the fiberglass intake cowls. I think I will have to cover the seam with ultracote at some point. Maybe not imediately, but it will bother me over time.

I like the "shelf" above the gas tank for mounting electronics. I think that is where the receivers and Aura 8 gyro will go, and then just connect to everything else down below. I don't know though, kinda thinking outloud at this point.

And as you can see I've already got a second jet on standby... It's a JMB T7-A, which is ironic since that's the glass instrument pannels I used for the Hawk... Totally doesn't make any scale sense, but I think it looks good.
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Nov 02, 2021, 10:18 PM
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Whats all that fake carbon stuff on the inside of the fuse?
Nov 04, 2021, 08:55 PM
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Whats all that fake carbon stuff on the inside of the fuse?
No clue, it was already on it. It's definitely not fake though. The stuff on the wood itself is definitely real carbon that seems to add a bit of structure. The stuff on the outside coating the exterior body is definitely fake and kinda foamy, a cushion of sorts. Here's a close up.

I got the cockpit parts 3D printed. Just need to paint them. I'm really happy with my new resin printer. Really high resolution and quality production.
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Nov 09, 2021, 09:43 PM
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It's a lot simpler figuring out fuel lines on a test bench...

Even though this plane has a lot of routing options for wires, it still ends up a bit awkard. I am planning to have all of the Rx/gyro/gear/brake electronics up above which should keep the main floor clean. Still a long ways to go. Mounting the K85G4 was definitely awakward. The last two sets of bolts are right on the edge of the mounting surfaces. It could be done a million different ways, but the engine sits level with the thrust tube as it is, so anything in addition offsets the engine, which makes it nearly impossible to do. I tried to fabricate some wood mounts that were more medial to the engine, but the carbon fiber reinforcements on the wood frame weren't having it and let go of the epoxy after some minor stress testing. Becareful mounting the engine whatever you end up doing...
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Nov 10, 2021, 03:08 PM
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Still a work in progress but I'm pretty over this cockpit. I'm not entirely sure it was 100% worth it, lol... It is certainly an improvement, but it was a lot of work for something that is semi-scale. I will include the link to the parts I designed. They need to be printed with a resin printer though, I think they are too detailed for a normal 3D printer. I just got a Voxelab Proxima 8.9 (4k), that I am super happy with so far.

Also I thought it was a little strange that both pilots have their hands on the controls at the same time. I have come to the conclusion that the reason both pilots are controlling the stick at the same time is because they are actively trying to stop me from crashing the plane...

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5124021


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