What the Heck Wednesday - Radical Rafale Roll

This week on What the Heck Wednesday we have a maiden flight of a Rafale EDF Jet with a wild un-commanded roll shortly after take off.

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This week on What the Heck Wednesday we have a maiden flight of a Rafale EDF Jet. It sounds and looks good on the runway and tracks nice and straight. The take off is abrupt, but what happens next is where things go pear shaped. It immediately rolls left all on its own and the pilot pulls power and manages to set it back down on the runway with a thud, but in one piece at least. After cleaning out his pants, the pilot must of asked himself, what the heck happened? I'll post that same question to you guys. What do you think caused that unintentional roll? Man was that guy lucky that plane completed the roll and stopped!

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Jul 14, 2021, 08:02 AM
R_G
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My guess...revered ailerons! On takeoff it banks to the left and to correct the pilot adds right stick, but being reversed it continues with the roll to the left. He's lucky it landed as well as it did.

Ralph
Jul 14, 2021, 08:50 AM
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I agree with Ralph
Jul 14, 2021, 09:57 AM
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Nope. The video quality makes it hard to see but here's my opinion.
Take off roll starts with both elevons neutral. Then the left elevon deflects upward while the right elevon appears to stay neutral. The left elevon appears to remain deflected upward through out most of the short hop. Right elevon servo failure or improper mixing of the elevon servos.

This is a direct quote from the pilot in the comment section of the video. I did not find this quote until I had already formed my opinion.

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wrong about the reversed ailerons. This was the result of an elevator up command to rotate, that was not communicated to the right wing. You can clearly see that only the left wing elevons responded when I pulled the stick. Probably would not have lifted off if not for the canards raising the nose as my battery was towards the nose heavy side. The instant the gear was free of the ground she rolled left, not axialy as there was no right wing roll, but not a bad roll either. As she came upright I killed both the throttle and the elevator. With the left wing centered again she straightened out. Maybe a bit of power should have been left in. Might not of fallen so hard. But at the time I just wanted to get her down.
I've added a screen shot of the left elevon deflected upward and the right elevon at a neutral position during the roll out.
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Jul 14, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Scary ... scary moment...
Jul 15, 2021, 04:58 PM
Scott
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That makes it the product of a poor preflight inspection.

Scott
Jul 16, 2021, 10:34 AM
Fire Marshall Bill
Actually not. This was carefully gone over by myself and 3 other experienced guys prior to the flight.
Jul 16, 2021, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Elmo Te
Actually not. This was carefully gone over by myself and 3 other experienced guys prior to the flight.
Did you ever determine the culprit? Loose servo connector?
Jul 16, 2021, 06:23 PM
jean-claude Terrettaz
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on Delta mix its impossible to take off if the control are reversed ..the jet will not lift off...bizarre
Jul 16, 2021, 10:02 PM
yank and bank!!
Incidentally, regardless of the plane's willingness to leave the ground, that was also a poor place to do a takeoff also....
Jul 17, 2021, 12:11 AM
Fire Marshall Bill
Really? Based on what? This is an AMA club field seeing a constant flow of takeoffs and landings every Friday and Sunday mornings for 15 years or more.

Elmo Te
Jul 17, 2021, 12:21 AM
Fire Marshall Bill
Trisquire

No, still can't get it to repeat. Very weird. The wing connectors are solid. I did replace the AR8000 with a 637T tho it is not possible that the Rx was the culprit. I just had all the wiring out and wanted to move the Rx to the nose and minimize the wire running back to the mixer box. It was easy to get all the extensions hidden under the battery floor. I have been running it around the street at 1/3-1/2 throttle with elevator inputs to see if it will repeat. So far, no.
Sunday I will run it up to full speed with the canards off and a heavy battery up front on minimum rates (so it wont rotate) while I have some club members watch/video it again to see if the elevator command gets both elevons to respond at full power/speed/vibration. If it still doesn't repeat, I may be obliged to retry the maiden. Or wait until HH finds a replacement mixer box for me,,,,,

Elmo Te
Jul 25, 2021, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by failboat
Incidentally, regardless of the plane's willingness to leave the ground, that was also a poor place to do a takeoff also....


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Originally Posted by Elmo Te
Really? Based on what? This is an AMA club field seeing a constant flow of takeoffs and landings every Friday and Sunday mornings for 15 years or more.

Elmo Te
Based on the parking lot bumpers and traffic cones maybe.
Jul 25, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Actually not. This was carefully gone over by myself and 3 other experienced guys prior to the flight.
Really? You had three people carefully go over the plane before you flew?

Can't say I have ever done that myself.
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Jul 26, 2021, 12:19 PM
Fire Marshall Bill
LM Yes, because there was a lot of interest in the plane when I was assembling it at the field. I actually keep it in the box (well, the foam) and transport it that way. Assembly takes like 5 min. In the box on the floor , another plane in a cradle can sit on top of it.

Boogie This has been the home of an AMA charted club for many years. Yes, there is the occasional mishap with the Dragon's teeth that line the runway, but it is 40 feet wide and over 300 feet long with acres of mowed grass adjacent. Way better then most streets I see being used. Landing on or running into a curb is no better than landing on a parking block. And if you are not airborne by the time you use up the runway, your undercarriage will not survive the lip of the grass anyway. I can't think of an occasion where an airborne plane hit the traffic pylons. There is a restroom building 50 feet beyond one end, and a 12' fence just beyond the other. But it is what we have and we are grateful for it. Not everyone has miles of farmland around them. Some of us fly in the most populous county in the country, adjacent to the busiest port complex on the west coast, and take what we can get.

Elmo Te


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