The end of an era??? No more Endoplasmas??? - RC Groups
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May 06, 2005, 11:44 PM
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The end of an era??? No more Endoplasmas???

It seems that my favorite cheap brushed sailplane motor is being discontinued. Please post any brushed replacements that will approach the efficiency and power of the endoplasma on just six sub-c cells. I've got three in use at the moment on a stock Skimmer 600, a heavily modified Skimmer 600 and an Omei.
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May 08, 2005, 10:31 AM
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Say it isn't SO!!! Yep - I checked Tower Hobbies' web site and all of the Kyosho stuff is discontinued.... AAARRRRGGGHHHHH! I 've been putting off a re-stock order for several Atomic Force and Endoplasma motors - and the prive had jsut dropped back to $25.00 ea... and ... and... now they're gone. OH the HORROR, the HORROR.

BigShark - I have been using an older Trinity Speed Gem (14T D)motor that is close to the AF - but alas, that too is an outdated motor. I can't make myself pay 60.00-90.00 for a primo car motor, when I can get a BL outrunner that'll do 300-350 watts without a gearbox for that much.

I also have used a Team Orion RUSH motor (19T D) - that was OK geard 2.5:1 on 6-8 cells. I have not yet tried it on a 10 cell pack and a 3.X:1 GB - It is in my spare drawer, and it will come out when the AF gives up for good. Orion has some newer "budget" motors that may fit the bill, the PILOT and the HAVOK. and

Good luck - and let us know if you find one that works well. Really - the end of an era.

May 08, 2005, 10:42 AM
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To all of our valued customers who have been so patient during our US formation; we at Kyosho Corporation of America wish to thank you.

As we promised we are now shipping to our dealer network, and we urge you to check with your favorite hobby shop for all of the Kyosho RC products. Parts are readily available through our Customer Service Department, now staffed by experienced car and aircraft technicians ready to assist you.
From looking over the Kyosho America page it looks like they just finished setting up a US distribution center, and I get the impression from what I pasted from the site that things should soon return to normal.

Still, I think it's a bit odd that Tower shows all Kyosho items as discontinued. If they're going to pick the line up again why not show 'backordered' or an available date sometime in the future?

I'm personally not in the market for any Kyosho gear right now, but have owned a bunch of it in my RC history so am hoping that they don't fade off into the sunset.

May 08, 2005, 11:05 AM
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try a trinity chamelon pro with a 4.4-1 GB. i spin a 14x9.5 folder on 7 cells....approaches a hacker b40. the trinity is a little pricey but it is broken in and has capacitors already wired internally....ken
May 09, 2005, 12:04 PM
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Unfortunately It looks like I'll have to take a leap of faith with one of these motors in the future. The websites don't list the motor constants and a lot of the motors aren't in p-calc. I guess any 16-19 turn car motor with large brushes and a large com will work.......but the endo was just about perfect. Hopefully Kyosho is just changing its distribution network. I've got a couple of emails in to them about this.

I'll have to try to the find the info to calc the Chamelon and any of the Trinity and Team Orion motors.
May 09, 2005, 12:37 PM
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BigSHARK - I have used a 14T D trinity motor - it's not as effecient as the Atomic Force - but it puts out about the same thrust for a few more amps and a little more heat.

I'm right there with you, brother. I have three good BL ESC that are waiting to feed a good and hot brushed motor.

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May 09, 2005, 12:47 PM
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Is that the same 14 turn "onyx" listed in p-calc? If so, It's the best I've seen so far. Has it held up to 30-40 amps for you?
May 09, 2005, 09:10 PM
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BigShark - yes - the Onyx. It has smaller brushes (4x5mm ??) but they are holding up "ok' - I'm on my second set and the comm is at about 75%. I tried to rush a break-in period on my second Endo- and I was never happy with it. A good long run in is essential for the high output motors, IMHO.

I have not been able to find any sources for the ONYX - a Speed Gems "2" motor - so I think that those too have gone over the horizon into oblivion.


Edit - take a good look around the web - I just bought the last one from - I wanted 2, but their inventory tracking system bumbed me back down to 1. The other web sites that cater to the car crowd may still have one or two. has the Trinity motors - not the Onyx - but the newer silver Speed Gems 2 - for about the same price.

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May 11, 2005, 12:51 AM
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