https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

That's the old traditional method of dealing with a virus - business as usual, expose everyone, weather the storm, and recover early.

Compared to the neo-technique of economy/debt-breaking, limited initial exposure, and a lengthy recovery period.

(Both have their pros and cons...)

Sweden also has one of the highest deaths / 1 million population, though. It would be really good news for everyone if their numbers are going down in part due to [partial] herd immunity, but I don't think anyone really knows at this point. From what I've read, despite no mandated lockdowns, they have practiced social distancing probably at least as well as the US.

Yes but they always leave out these places in the news and Japan has also flattened the curve with high death rates mainly because of their very high rate of elderly.

The Japan curve looks like Sweden's.

Originally Posted by BACKEMFNRG

Yes but they always leave out these places in the news and Japan has also flattened the curve with high death rates mainly because of their very high rate of elderly.

The Japan curve looks like Sweden's.

Japan doesn't look much like Sweden at all. They have 8 deaths / million, while Sweden has 547. And Japan is experiencing a big rise in cases now, while Sweden isn't.

Exposing everyone, and achieving high death rates, isn't 'flatten the curve,' it is 'steepen the curve.'

Originally Posted by Montag DP

Japan doesn't look much like Sweden at all. They have 8 deaths / million, while Sweden has 547. And Japan is experiencing a big rise in cases now, while Sweden isn't.

Sorry, I did not see that in the graphs from same website. I'll look again.

Originally Posted by wrightme

Exposing everyone, and achieving high death rates, isn't 'flatten the curve,' it is 'steepen the curve.'

Not if you don't include the deaths due to lockdown which are aren't being counted as if it didn't matter.

Originally Posted by BACKEMFNRG

Sorry, I did not see that in the graphs from same website. I'll look again.

I was looking at worldometers.info/coronavirus.

Sweden also seems to have a different approach to old people requiring "supported living". In that they tend to let nature takes it's course if they catch anything that requires significant medical intervention.

Originally Posted by Montag DP

I was looking at worldometers.info/coronavirus.

The only thing I'm looking at is death rate per million. They are doing fine.

The ones isolated like the First Nations will get sick like they did when the first European's came with their smallpox and flu viruses.

Big mistake.

The hypothesis of the OP, that Sweden's way is better, is not true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/b...sultPosition=3

Sweden is the clear winner in this otherwise mostly global parade of stupid.

"Presently, Sweden is very close to reaching herd immunity which is a condition in which the majority have developed antibodies that will help to fend-off similar sars-covid infections in the future. Absent a vaccine, herd immunity is the best that can be hoped for. It ensures that future outbreaks will be less disruptive and less lethal. Take a look at this excerpt from an article at the Off-Guardian which helps to explain what’s really going on:

The Herd Immunity Threshold (“HIT”) for COVID-19 is between 10-20%

Naturally acquired herd immunity to COVID-19 combined with earnest protection of the vulnerable elderly – especially nursing home and assisted living facility residents — is an eminently reasonable and practical alternative to the dubious panacea of mass compulsory vaccination against the virus.

This strategy was successfully implemented in Malmo, Sweden, which had few COVID-19 deaths by assiduously protecting its elder care homes, while “schools remained open, residents carried on drinking in bars and cafes, and the doors of hairdressers and gyms were open throughout."

And my favourite quote from the article:

"This is just one of many similar reports from around the world. Most of the schools in Europe have already reopened and lifted restrictions on distancing and masks. Meanwhile, in the US, the reopening of schools has become another contentious political issue pitting Trump against his Democrat adversaries who are willing to sacrifice the lives of schoolchildren to prevent the president from being reelected. It’s a cynical-counterproductive approach that reveals the vindictiveness of the people who support it. In an election year, everything is politics. (Watch Tucker Carlson’s short segment on “Kids cannot afford to stay locked down.“)"

https://www.technocracy.news/sweden-...rld-was-punkd/

Originally Posted by kavic5150

Sweden is the clear winner...

Sigh. Looks like you fell for a bad source. Again.

Sweden's death rate is even higher than the USAs, yet their economy is dropping at the same rate as their neighbors who are actually following expert health advice. AKA they have more deaths and nothing to show for it.

Your link is factually inaccurate in asserting herd immunity when cases hit 10-15% of the population. The virus will infect 60-70% of the population if left unchecked, per actual experts. According to expert research, preventative measures (not taken by Sweden) when used in other countries have kept 500 million people from infection. https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...esource-center

Sweden is a small country, 10 million people; FL is twice as large. Like Sweden, they don't care much about mitigation. Their case totals are skyrocketing and their death rate is on an alarming upward trend.

Originally Posted by Ruffin Ready

Sigh. Looks like you fell for a bad source. Again.

Sweden's death rate is even higher than the USAs, yet their economy is dropping at the same rate as their neighbors who are actually following expert health advice. AKA they have more deaths and nothing to show for it.

Your link is factually inaccurate in asserting herd immunity when cases hit 10-15% of the population. The virus will infect 60-70% of the population if left unchecked, per actual experts. According to expert research, preventative measures (not taken by Sweden) when used in other countries have kept 500 million people from infection. https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...esource-center

Sweden is a small country, 10 million people; FL is twice as large. Like Sweden, they don't care much about mitigation. Their case totals are skyrocketing and their death rate is on an alarming upward trend.

Harvard? I spit on their unholy institution. A pox upon their filthy campus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/u...r-harvard.html

Nice try tho.