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Dec 26, 2019, 10:55 PM
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F5J USA Tour 2020


Welcome to the 2020 F5J USA Tour! This is our fourth Tour season. Already we have a nice starting lineup of 2020 events in the Calendar with more to come soon. The F5J USA Tour season is Dec 1-Nov 30 which made the December F5J in the Desert (Phoenix) our first 2020 season event. Full Tour info is here.

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Register your event - Clubs and organizers are invited to register their events by filling out our online event application. One of the main benefits of having your event on the Tour is that we expect it will encourage more pilots to attend. Note there is a $3/pilot fee to clubs (due when you send us your scores) to cover end-of-season award and related expenses.

Updated 2020 F5J Rules- As many of you know, earlier this year the FAI F5 sub-committee met and decided on FAI rule changes for the 2020 season. These changes were released on Dec 16. We have gone through all our rules website pages and updated the FAI F5J Rules, Tour Contest Rules, and Tour CD Guidelines. You can find all this info from our main Rules page where you will find all the details.

Here are several highlights of the 2020 FAI rule changes:
  • Landing direction – 5.5.11.11 (b) – Landing approach direction can be chosen by pilots on each flight, or, at the discretion of the CD, the landing direction may still be declared by the CD.
  • Stability systems and airborne sensors – 5.5.11.1.1 – The use of stability systems, gyros, or airborne sensors that could be used to actuate control surfaces are prohibited.
Here are the 2020 F5J USA Tour rules deviations from the FAI 2020 rules:
  • Emergency motor restarts – Emergency motor restarts are allowed but will result in a zero flight score i.e. not a penalty
  • Altimeter hardware is allowed – Installation of altimeter hardware that enables reporting of a plane’s altitude is allowed but active reporting of altitude data must be disabled during Tour events.
  • Launch delay before turning – For enhanced safety reasons launches must be straight forward for 3 seconds before turning. This has been in use in F5J USA Tour contests for 2018 and 2019.
  • Launch location – As dictated by the CD the launch location will either be within 4 meters of the landing spot, or will be inside the Access Corridor within 2 meters of the lane indicator (flag). Zero flight score for violating.

If you plan to host a Tour event we suggest that you review the above rules and CD Guidelines information and also check out the Qualifying Events page.

F5J USA Tour Advisory Group - This group is responsible for managing the Tour and includes the following key supporters and pioneers of USA-based F5J: Lee Wolfe, Steve Neu, Lenny Keer, Larry Jolly, Jim Monaco, David Beach, and Chris Bajorek. Each advisor brings significant experience and energy to this group.

2019 financial statement now available- Following the end of each season we publish a financial statement (our ledger) that shows the Tour's sources and uses of funds. You can find our 2019 season ledger at the bottom of our Financial Declaration page.

Join our email list - In 2019 we started using email to deliver occassional announcements and even a newsletter every now and then. If you are not already on our list you can sign up on f5j-usa.com via the "F5J USA Tour email list" box located in the right-hand sidebar of every page.

Hope to see you at the next F5J USA Tour event and, as always, thanks for your ongoing support of US-based F5J.

The F5J USA Tour Advisory Group
www.f5j-usa.com

2019 season references: RC Groups 2019 Tour thread --- 2019 Calendar archive
2018 season references: RC Groups 2018 Tour thread --- 2018 Calendar archive
2017 season references: RC Groups 2017 Tour thread --- 2017 Calendar archive
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Dec 27, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oleg Golovidov
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I was a little surprised to see the acknowledgement (?) of restarts and of AMRTs that allow it.
The only mention is in the AMRT section, nothing in the scoring section.
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5.5.11.1.3. Characteristics of Radio Controlled Gliders with electric motor and altimeter/motor run timer (AMRT).
...
The essential functions of the AMRT are:
i) To record and display the maximum height attained (Start Height), above a
ground level reference between the instant of motor start and 10 seconds after
the motor is stopped and
ii) To restrict the operation of the motor by the competitor to a single continuous
run not exceeding 30 seconds.
iii) To reset the start height displayed to “---” if the motor is restarted at any time
during the flight.
This rule can be used as a local rule at FAI World Cup and Open International
events, but not at Category One events.
Dec 27, 2019, 03:30 PM
NorCal Electric Soaring (NES)
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Hi Oleg, that addition was "proposal k" that came from the USA (thank you Jim Monaco!). The initial sub-committee vote for that change was 4 yes, 7 no but the final decision sent out in July was to allow it as long as it was excluded from FAI category one events. It is still a Tour deviation because of the open scoring issue you pointed out.
Dec 27, 2019, 04:15 PM
Oleg Golovidov
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I forgot that it was Jim's proposal (thanks Jim).
Was the proposal lacking the required scoring verbiage or did the CIAM strike it off the final version?
Dec 27, 2019, 04:44 PM
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As Jim described in his justification text for this proposed change, " 5.5.11.7.e) already describes the penalty for the condition when the AMRT does not record a start height." i.e. "---" on the display. So technically a zero flight result is already accounted for.
Dec 29, 2019, 12:29 AM
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More 2020 events added


More events have been posted to the 2020 Tour calendar:

F5J in Visalia #1 on Mar 21-22 in Visalia CA. This is their first 2-day event of the season hosted by CVRC. Organizer and CD is Tim Johnson. Details coming. This flying field is very popular in the western region and always has interesting and challenging varied conditions. On Friday before the main event they usually run a Low Launch Challenge that has become almost as much fun as the 2-day F5J.

F5J in Vegas on May 3-4 (Sun-Mon) in Sandy Valley NV. This is a 2-day event hosted by Rocky Mountain Soaring Association. Organizers are Jim Monaco and John Lovins. Details coming. This is the 4th annual Vegas event held at the same sod far in the middle of the Nevada desert. This F5J event is the second part of a 4-day F3J+F5J double header. Fly in both if you like or just come for the F5J--either way it is worth the trip.

F5J in Visalia #2 on June 6-7 in Visalia CA. This is the second 2-day event for this season as hosted by CVRC.

More soon...
Jan 03, 2020, 06:58 PM
Original Bloody Spadder
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Great news
Jan 22, 2020, 11:58 AM
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2020 Tour update


Hope everyone's 2020 is going well.

Tour Calendar is filling out nicely

If you have not checked the Tour calendar lately now is a good time to take a peek. There are currently 15 Tour events listed for 2020: 8 west, 7 east. There are more coming* but this is an excellent lineup so far. Events in February: the Southwest Classic F5J in Phoenix and Warm and Sunny Florida F5J in Morriston. Both are great venues with growing pilots lists. * Several western region events including the 2020 North/South F5J Challenge date will not be announced until the Team Select date is locked into the calendar.

Team Selection update

As you know this year a Team Selection (TS) event will be held that will decide who goes to the 2021 WC. While there is a dedicated RCG thread for this I'm sharing status here since the TS date impacts Tour events and your travel plans. Steve Manganelli, the F5 TS Committee Chairman, is actively accepting bids from clubs that are interested in hosting the TS event. If you are interested please request the TS Program document from Steve M. or me that contains details on what you need to include in your bid. FYI I am reaching out to several clubs this week that have either indicated past interest or have been recommended by others.

Any q's let me know. Thanks.
Chris
Feb 01, 2020, 04:51 PM
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Thanks for the Update Chris, please keep us posted on any TS updates you get!

Best regards,

Jon
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Hope everyone's 2020 is going well.

Tour Calendar is filling out nicely

If you have not checked the Tour calendar lately now is a good time to take a peek. There are currently 15 Tour events listed for 2020: 8 west, 7 east. There are more coming* but this is an excellent lineup so far. Events in February: the Southwest Classic F5J in Phoenix and Warm and Sunny Florida F5J in Morriston. Both are great venues with growing pilots lists. * Several western region events including the 2020 North/South F5J Challenge date will not be announced until the Team Select date is locked into the calendar.

Team Selection update

As you know this year a Team Selection (TS) event will be held that will decide who goes to the 2021 WC. While there is a dedicated RCG thread for this I'm sharing status here since the TS date impacts Tour events and your travel plans. Steve Manganelli, the F5 TS Committee Chairman, is actively accepting bids from clubs that are interested in hosting the TS event. If you are interested please request the TS Program document from Steve M. or me that contains details on what you need to include in your bid. FYI I am reaching out to several clubs this week that have either indicated past interest or have been recommended by others.

Any q's let me know. Thanks.
Chris
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Feb 02, 2020, 04:49 PM
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Hi Jon,
Thanks for checking in. Nothing to report yet for TS other than the F5 TS Committee is accepting bids from hosting clubs through March 31. Shortly after that they will discuss the bids and then pick one. So look for a TS calendar date to be decided in early April. BTW several clubs have been directly invited regarding this event but it will take them some time to discuss and work up a bid. Stay tuned...
Feb 03, 2020, 03:52 AM
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Thanks Chris!
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Hi Jon,
Thanks for checking in. Nothing to report yet for TS other than the F5 TS Committee is accepting bids from hosting clubs through March 31. Shortly after that they will discuss the bids and then pick one. So look for a TS calendar date to be decided in early April. BTW several clubs have been directly invited regarding this event but it will take them some time to discuss and work up a bid. Stay tuned...
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Mar 08, 2020, 08:45 PM
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Tour standings updated


Several days ago we updated the F5J USA Tour standings (here) which now includes the Florida F5J event. This makes 3 Tour events so far this season. The level of competition at each one has been outstanding.

Events coming in March

F5J in Visalia #1 - Mar 21-22 - Info here. The pilots list for this western region event is shaping up nicely. Visalia is a very popular venue for western pilots. It looks like Dale Olstinske will be hosting another Friday BBQ, stay tuned for confirmation. I know many guys are practicing and getting ready for this one.

Events coming in April

East Coast Spring F5J Festival - April 4-5 - Info here. They had a great turnout last year so it's reasonable to expect the same for this one.

F5J in Texas - April 18-19 - Greenville TX - Hosted by Soaring League of North Texas (SLNT). Info will be posted soon. This is the first F5J USA Tour event for SLNT.

BRASS F5J - April 18-19 - Waynesboro VA - Info here. This is another maiden F5J USA Tour event and is hosted by the Blue Ridge Area Soaring League. The dates overlap the F5J in Texas event but both clubs said it was okay since the distance between venues is so great.

Chris
Mar 12, 2020, 07:54 PM
Service Engine Soon
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So to continue my F5J Rules questions I have a couple more.
Landing direction into the wind.
But I had the craziest landing last year. I was early by a minute or so and was on final. Right when the plane got to the end of the tape, I hit lift. So I decided to take a turn over my landing spot. I never was out of my lane and made a full circle landing back in the original direction into the wind. We counted the landing but In the Worlds competition would that have been counted?
And can you answer all of my silly questions with the differences between Tour USA and FAI Worlds if any?

I know you can fly over 59 seconds after the end horn and your time still counts for preliminary rounds but no landing points. But does the 59 seconds over apply to the fly off rounds also?

Thanks again
Mar 12, 2020, 08:37 PM
NorCal Electric Soaring (NES)
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Hi Brady,

The difference between F5J USA Tour and FAI F5J rules is outlined on --wait for it!-- the Tour Contest Rules page here: http://www.f5j-usa.com/contest-rules/.

Circling in your lane on final approach is generally frowned upon even though there is no explicit rule against it. Guys occasionally do it. If you interfere with another pilot they can request a reflight. If the CD thinks you interfered with any pilot intentionally, the CD can kick you out of the contest (CIAM General Rules, section C.19.1.1 (c)). So if you do it be 100% sure your lane is clear and that your flying is 100% safe.

The 1-minute late landing window is in effect for both qualifying and fly-off rounds (F5J rule 5.5.11.12 (g)).
Mar 12, 2020, 10:57 PM
Team Futaba
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I do not recall ever seeing anyone more than a second or so late, usually due to a mistimed approach more than anything else.


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