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Aug 24, 2019, 10:38 PM
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Odd's are even if the approve to fly over 400 feet there very few spots to fly.

Full size aircraft have the right to fly down to 500 feet outside the airport.

Dave

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That was issued BEFORE the FAA reauthorization act explicitly changed the law. In that sense, it’s void. But addition, note the exceptionally careful wording. Note that if never specifically “approves” flight above 400. It merely says the FAA is aware.

That’s no accident. And I agree with Ray. This is very thin ... at best.
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Aug 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
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... Full size aircraft have the right to fly down to 500 feet outside the airport.
Just remember that helicopters can fly below 500' and closer than 500' to people.

Not that it's a big deal to us, but the altitude minimum for full-sized fixed wing aircraft is 1000' over "congested areas" (§91.119)..
Aug 24, 2019, 11:38 PM
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FAA Requesting Info on New Recreational Test


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Full size aircraft have the right to fly down to 500 feet outside the airport.
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Just remember that helicopters can fly below 500' and closer than 500' to people.

Not that it's a big deal to us, but the altitude minimum for full-sized fixed wing aircraft is 1000' over "congested areas" (§91.119)..
FAR 91.119 defines minimum altitudes.

First quote above is not actually correct. Full size aircraft can indeed fly below 500 AGL in remote areas. And they do often. It’s 500 feet FROM people, buildings, etc. Slant range. I can fly my Cessna all day long at 200 AGL so long as I stay 458 feet laterally from the person or building.

This happens quite often, more than the hobby folks want to admit. From Uncle Joe in his Cub, through crop dusters, news, police, and military.

Second quote is closer. 1000’ over congested areas, though I’d add that helos can (and do) still go lower. Also, there are MTRs surprisingly close to towns etc.

Authoritative source is FARs.
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Aug 25, 2019, 03:16 AM
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^this attitude^ is the very reason for the current r/c regulations
some dudes think that their unmanned toys are equal with full scale occupied by human/s
No, the regulations are not because of people with an attitude like mine. It is because of uptight people over the "drone" craze.

They should leave us regular folks alone, and regulate the long distance, and fpv flyers. Most of the people I encounter flying at fields can't even see their aircraft well enough to control them much past 400 feet.

And yes if I'm flying on my property at my usual below tree line flying or certainly below the ridgeline at the back of the property, they better not collide with me. If they do they where probably going to crash anyway.

And yes I'm not going to go through testing and licensing to fly.
Aug 25, 2019, 08:24 AM
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Why all this "discussion"? What's done is done. The FAA has dropped their new, although vague and somewhat incomplete, set of rules on model aviation in such a way that model aviation no longer exists. Flying R/C models is such a tiny part of the NAS that it is insignificant. The AMA through its lack of will and money is also an insignificant player in all this. This arguing different points and pulling up old documents is meaningless. The FAA has handed down the “New Testament” of small flying things and those who wish to participate in the privilege will have to deal with it.
Aug 25, 2019, 08:39 AM
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The FAA has dropped
rather Congress
the FAA is just following the law
Aug 25, 2019, 10:03 AM
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Just remember that helicopters can fly below 500' and closer than 500' to people.

Not that it's a big deal to us, but the altitude minimum for full-sized fixed wing aircraft is 1000' over "congested areas" (§91.119)..
This basic for most things that full size aircraft.
There excipsoin to fly below 500 feet.
Fixed wing is set at 1000 feet .
The 500 foot is most thing that fly and is use for Max altitude for RC less 100 feet for error making RC flying at 400feet

See below screenshot

Dave

FYI
VFR aircraft are separated from all VFR/IFR aircraft which weigh 19,000 pounds or less by a minimum of:
Target resolution, or
500 feet vertical separation, or
Visual separation
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Aug 25, 2019, 10:09 AM
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Aug 25, 2019, 01:28 PM
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Why all this "discussion"? What's done is done. The FAA has dropped their new, although vague and somewhat incomplete, set of rules on model aviation in such a way that model aviation no longer exists. Flying R/C models is such a tiny part of the NAS that it is insignificant. The AMA through its lack of will and money is also an insignificant player in all this. This arguing different points and pulling up old documents is meaningless. The FAA has handed down the “New Testament” of small flying things and those who wish to participate in the privilege will have to deal with it.
Exactly. There is no such thing as school yard flying anymore, because schools, hospitals, jails and prisons are no-fly zones. It's the same with most parks, so park flying is also out. Only a small number of folks who can pass muster to get into an AMA club have places that are specifically reserved for radio controlled aircraft. Since the rest of us don't have those privileges, we have to deal with flying in very small spaces of only a few feet in each direction, which is why quads have become so popular. We will have to see what this upcoming test is like, and deal with it.
Aug 25, 2019, 03:14 PM
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Only a small number of folks who can pass muster to get into an AMA club have places
"pass muster"?? It's not that hard.

1) Join AMA - takes about 1minute.
Aug 25, 2019, 07:09 PM
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Where live it I 20 mile trip to fly glow plug models in middle of framing
There is a place for electric about 3 miles but may be turn in a bird place in few years.

It this ever one drive for along time just to fly. Maybe a few states away.

What next band rubber bands models

Dave



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Exactly. There is no such thing as school yard flying anymore, because schools, hospitals, jails and prisons are no-fly zones. It's the same with most parks, so park flying is also out. Only a small number of folks who can pass muster to get into an AMA club have places that are specifically reserved for radio controlled aircraft. Since the rest of us don't have those privileges, we have to deal with flying in very small spaces of only a few feet in each direction, which is why quads have become so popular. We will have to see what this upcoming test is like, and deal with it.
Aug 25, 2019, 07:37 PM
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FAA Requesting Info on New Recreational Test


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"pass muster"?? It's not that hard.

1) Join AMA - takes about 1minute.
It would be really interesting to see AMA publish, for each club, which ones are not accepting new members.
Aug 25, 2019, 07:41 PM
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FAA Requesting Info on New Recreational Test


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Originally Posted by smithdoor
This basic for most things that full size aircraft.
There excipsoin to fly below 500 feet.
Fixed wing is set at 1000 feet .
The 500 foot is most thing that fly and is use for Max altitude for RC less 100 feet for error making RC flying at 400feet

See below screenshot

Dave

FYI
VFR aircraft are separated from all VFR/IFR aircraft which weigh 19,000 pounds or less by a minimum of:
Target resolution, or
500 feet vertical separation, or
Visual separation

Wrong.

There is not an “exception” to fly FW below 500 feet. There is FAR 91.119. Period.

And folks wonder why Congress thinks we need to be tested. Why Is proven time and time again in these pages.
Aug 25, 2019, 08:34 PM
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Wrong.

There is not an “exception” to fly FW below 500 feet. There is FAR 91.119. Period.

And folks wonder why Congress thinks we need to be tested. Why Is proven time and time again in these pages.
Frankly (sorry, couldn't pass that up), we'd be better off if Congress critters had to pass a test to run for that office. Not to get too far afield, Congress has that power but the evidence is usually stronger with much legislation that demonstrates the fundamental ignorance of Congress on many subjects is a far bigger threat to the country. That is no different when they get around to legislating about sUAS.

Most of all, congressional ignorance is not the same thing as impartiality. Congress is only rarely impartial, but the body's record of ignorance is legion.
Aug 25, 2019, 09:40 PM
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It would be really interesting to see AMA publish, for each club, which ones are not accepting new members.
Yes, and there are clubs who are very selective on who they accept into their membership. And you can't really blame them, because they want to protect their own hobby.


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