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Jul 05, 2019, 10:39 AM
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I forget mine is asleep and only realize it next week when I turn it on again.....

While asleep it consumes some power too. I have had it crash too and lose a model memory in the process.

The instant on issue is a problem for us in industry too. Users list this as one their big issues, even if they only boot up infrequently.

I hate it too.

The specs show faster processors which “may” translate to faster boot times.

Part of this depends on how customized the boot process is as a lot of time is consumed with scans for all manner periphery that does not exist, but the generic boot process wants to be sure to cover all bases. Watch a Linux boot console some time.

In simple terms let us hope they address the user experience in this next iteration in both hardware and software.
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Jul 05, 2019, 11:26 AM
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The higher end futaba radios are slow to boot first time of the day. Once you shut it off, it sleeps and can be turned right on instantly. After 4 hours of sleep it shuts completely down automatically. I think that would be a good thing to do on these txs too. I can't wait to see what this ix20 is about
Jul 05, 2019, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nappyroots2182
The higher end futaba radios are slow to boot first time of the day. Once you shut it off, it sleeps and can be turned right on instantly. After 4 hours of sleep it shuts completely down automatically. I think that would be a good thing to do on these txs too. I can't wait to see what this ix20 is about
Now I am intrigued. Would you care to state which 'higher end futaba radios' are slow to boot at any time of the day and what evidence you have to support your statement? A video would be good. I have used 18MZ and now use 18SZ and both boot within 2 seconds regardless of when last used. In fact their boot time is not dependent on last use time at all, whether an SD card is installed, or any other factor as far as I can tell. Perhaps I should use a stopwatch? (The same applies to 14MZ, 12Z.) I don't regard a rapid boot time as critical but beyond 5 - 10 seconds it would become irritating.
Jul 05, 2019, 02:16 PM
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I very much like how easy the radio is the program and how much it can do I also very much hate that it's deleted to files due to corruption in mess to others up by maxing out the servo in One Direction and inhibiting all 12 channels, as it was all I had to do was reconnect the brake valve to the servo some of my other Jets the servo may have ripped control right off
Jul 05, 2019, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by juliant
Now I am intrigued. Would you care to state which 'higher end futaba radios' are slow to boot at any time of the day and what evidence you have to support your statement? A video would be good. I have used 18MZ and now use 18SZ and both boot within 2 seconds regardless of when last used. In fact their boot time is not dependent on last use time at all, whether an SD card is installed, or any other factor as far as I can tell. Perhaps I should use a stopwatch? (The same applies to 14MZ, 12Z.) I don't regard a rapid boot time as critical but beyond 5 - 10 seconds it would become irritating.
Sorry looks like I was only thinking about the 18mz.
Jul 05, 2019, 06:56 PM
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Is there any information about the IX20?

https://fccid.io/BRWIX20/External-Ph...Photos-4329616

here in the video to see 5:34
https://www.facebook.com/HorizonHobb...0306613/?t=331
haha you have to frezz the video .I can see it..looks like a ix20 alright
Jul 05, 2019, 10:25 PM
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Hmmm, one thing I see after looking at the pictures is just a lack of craftsmanship in the radio. Its competion and the dx20 all have some feeling of love given at this price range. Either from them being built from billet aluminum (jeti) or carbon to having soft touch material on the grips(powerbox core), or the rock solid build quality on all futaba's. It just looks like it's another Spektrum. The dx20 at least with its cnc gimbals and carbon front has some feel of high end.

Now I get that they are targeting a particular demographic, but no one can't deny that if you're going to make a new flagship radio put some touches in it that make it truly unique. It's not out yet we will see what they do but it's unlikely it will be changed from this if this is truly the final revision submitted to FCC. But I sure hope that at whatever price this comes in at, it comes with a nice case and a ton of spektrum goodies because I'll be keeping my eye out.
Jul 05, 2019, 10:58 PM
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haha you have to frezz the video .I can see it..looks like a ix20 alright
FYI, the first link was blocked by my Norton virus protection, listed as a known dangerous link.
Jul 05, 2019, 11:18 PM
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We are seeing prototypes. Unless those are what are submitted for CE and or emissions testing then they can not actually change anything significant.

I agree if no alloy gimbals or leather grips or some bling then what’s the point? Sure there are more inputs (switches). Looks like a massive screen. (I do not watch videos on my iX12). The only thing I notice is more processor horsepower. (Aside from the awful boot time the normal user will not notice a real world difference unless they are running lots of extra apps).

We’ll see. It took time for me to actually get into using the iX12 from the DX9, Maybe there will be enough better to make me get an iX20. But if the iX20 is the size as the DX20 then it is doubtful as the iX12 form factor is “just right” for me.

I am keeping an open mind but they hopefully will address the short comings if the iX12 and if not then I need to see some really awesome improvements before I step up.
Jul 05, 2019, 11:21 PM
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It just looks like it's another Spektrum. The dx20 at least with its cnc gimbals and carbon front has some feel of high end.
so true https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...ostcount=10704
Jul 06, 2019, 01:59 AM
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Some of you guys are hilarious.
Jul 06, 2019, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by juliant
Now I am intrigued. Would you care to state which 'higher end futaba radios' are slow to boot at any time of the day and what evidence you have to support your statement? A video would be good. I have used 18MZ and now use 18SZ and both boot within 2 seconds regardless of when last used. In fact their boot time is not dependent on last use time at all, whether an SD card is installed, or any other factor as far as I can tell. Perhaps I should use a stopwatch? (The same applies to 14MZ, 12Z.) I don't regard a rapid boot time as critical but beyond 5 - 10 seconds it would become irritating.
What have you been sniffing?

I've got all the Futaba 18's and they all do as nappyroots2182 says; if they are off for more than four hours, the longer boot up time is required for a start. The Anniversary Edition 18SZ and the 18MZ WC both boot a bit faster than the older 18MZ on initial boot. After t;hat first power on cycle, it is indeed just a matter of seconds for them to turn on again.

As for high end Futaba Radios? I'd consider the other two you mention to be antiques.....
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Jul 06, 2019, 04:53 AM
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SpektrumRC needs to wake up. R&D is what is costing money. They cant spread out on a large range of models. Keep the DXe. Cut price on DX8e and DX9 to the $149 and $249 mark. Drop the rest of the DX line. Put iX12 (and later mii) to the $499 mark, and the new iX20 to $999. In addition they could sell it with the DX20 aluminum gimbals at a higher price. If they add a software upgrade at $249 to make the iX12 18 channel, the line would be complete. Keeping the pricing they have will destroy their sales in few years. Look at the new Jumper T16 at $149 and the Taranis delivering 24 channels and hall sensor gimbals for $120. The open TX environment that before was for the inner circle of geeks, is becoming as easy to use as Spektrum, and will take over the market if to compete only with equipment four times as expensive. Also Futaba has a say by putting the 16SZ at $800. If Spektrum prices its iX20 to $1399 or $1499 it need some rather convincing features if anyone should buy this instead of the 16SZ or 18SZ.

The future of SpektrumRC is pretty much decided by their coming price strategy. Too many grate companies has disappeared because of trying to compensate lower sales with higher prices, instead of increasing volume by reducing price to meet competition.

Spektrum might still be strong in the age 50+ segment where I belong, but with the new generations entering the sport, it is Taranis as far as the eye can see. I cant see how Spektrum could «blame» them either as there is no Spektrum alternative to the Q X7 or 9X Lite Pro. I might be wrong but I am afraid I’m not.
Jul 06, 2019, 08:09 AM
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Krismoe,

Sales numbers don’t support that argument. Spektrum’s sales are as strong as ever.

Jumper is a rounding error, FrSky is eating the guys who would have gone Futaba/Hitec/JR.

Almost all the new pilots I see (and my club gets 10-20 newbies a year) are on Spektrum. Some go to FrSky later, but that’s at most a 50/50 and virtually all the guys flying something else also have Spektrum gear
Jul 06, 2019, 08:34 AM
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Being correct with sales forecasts is ez, as long as you are not directly involved
The long term service on Spektrum simply is not there on other stuff
Does it make a difference in new sales
Yes
Why do people buy Toyota and Honda over other stuff?
Ask any competent used car guy
They simply have a reputation of long term usability
It ain’t just a flash in the pan


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