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Dec 26, 2019, 06:30 PM
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a membership of 110,000 paid full adult members will not make much difference in the minds of a well paid for congresscritter...
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Dec 26, 2019, 09:47 PM
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Dec 26, 2019, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by elan
I copy/pasted the AMA response below. From a general advocacy perspective, there is helpful information.
No, this is just the AMA pretending it's not an absolute disaster so people keep renewing their membership rather than quitting in disgust. The whole bit about public comment is just a formality; the FAA has made up its mind and this is how it's going to be.
Dec 26, 2019, 09:50 PM
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a membership of 110,000 paid full adult members will not make much difference in the minds of a well paid for congresscritter...
That may be true but if each member can influence the opinion of ten additional people we then become over a million votes strong. We need to do what we can to influence this decision. There are other interests behind this. The issuing of this proposed rule even made it to our local news broadcasts today. Sort of implying that the government is cracking down on the evil threats to safe air traffic. Someone is promoting this propaganda and misinformation to try to influence public opinion.
Dec 26, 2019, 09:50 PM
BFMA #13, aka Rogue 13
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for once, i kinda/sorta agree with the nibbler...
Dec 26, 2019, 09:51 PM
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if any of us could influence that many people, we would be a lot more than 110,000 strong already....
Dec 26, 2019, 10:31 PM
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The real test of this is going to be enforcement. Unless the FAA is going to develop an enforcement mechanism larger than all of our local, State and Federal law enforcement combined they will never effectively enforce this. How will they determine if a model airplane is 400 or 500 in altitude of more than 400 feet out from the transmitter? If they want to promote aviation safety they should simply ban the sale of drones and quad copters and leave the rest of the hobbyists alone.
Dec 26, 2019, 11:01 PM
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The real test of this is going to be enforcement.
I expect they'll enforce by leaning on the manufacturers. When the only radio equipment you can get is either very expensive and controlled remote-ID compliant stuff, or dodgy crap from China that sometimes gets confiscated by customs, the hobby is going to get hard to sustain. Airframes too; it's not clear what the "50%" rule is. Is a complete but unassembled airframe (lacking receiver, servos, transmitter, and (for helis and quads) flight controller) less than 50% of a UAS?
Dec 27, 2019, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboy52


That may be true but if each member can influence the opinion of ten additional people we then become over a million votes strong. We need to do what we can to influence this decision. There are other interests behind this. The issuing of this proposed rule even made it to our local news broadcasts today. Sort of implying that the government is cracking down on the evil threats to safe air traffic. Someone is promoting this propaganda and misinformation to try to influence public opinion.
-Agreed...
Dec 27, 2019, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty105
-Let's keep this in perspective. Remote ID isn't coming sooner than the time-frame outlined in this thread. We are multiple years out before implementation on anything, that is time enough to get the law changed.
Dec 27, 2019, 11:57 AM
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-Let's keep this in perspective. Remote ID isn't coming sooner than the time-frame outlined in this thread. We are multiple years out before implementation on anything, that is time enough to get the law changed.
Not with the current mind set of modelers. Unlike other minority groups that can group together for a common cause and be activist for it, modelers can not. To many varying opinions and downright unwilling ness to be a group, much less get together and be an activist force. Ha! No one here can even agree that the hobby is in trouble, real world repressive trouble.
Dec 27, 2019, 12:05 PM
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Not with the current mind set of modelers. Unlike other minority groups that can group together for a common cause and be activist for it, modelers can not. To many varying opinions and downright unwilling ness to be a group, much less get together and be an activist force. Ha! No one here can even agree that the hobby is in trouble, real world repressive trouble.
this guy has a proper handle on the reality of the situation...
Dec 27, 2019, 12:47 PM
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Not with the current mind set of modelers. Unlike other minority groups that can group together for a common cause and be activist for it, modelers can not. To many varying opinions and downright unwilling ness to be a group, much less get together and be an activist force. Ha! No one here can even agree that the hobby is in trouble, real world repressive trouble.
I totally agree. I'm beginning to believe the best we can hope for is to enjoy the hobby we have enjoyed for most of our lives for the next three years and then scrap it all. It appears the AMA is powerless to do anything and the FAA is blind to anything other than the interests of quadcopter and drone flyers. How many of you fixed wing flyers out there only have the average 1.4 aircraft the FAA anticipate we will register? I have over ten flyable and better than another 15 yet to be finished and flown. I don't know a single flyer with one or two planes.
Dec 27, 2019, 12:51 PM
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Well lobbying efforts from shAmazon and Airmap.io paid off.. I told DJI not to lend credibility to Airmap.io 3 years ago and here we are.. they want to lease us "keys" to unlock airspace just like leasing ip addresses.. this is why Airmap.io hired one of the founders of ICANN.. AMA will win because they just want people in their clubs.. but here is the rub... once a complaint is filled with the FTC arguing that these new rules not only violate the constitution as only Congress can pass or change laws but it forces people to PAY for products that currently have no competition and can be shown that that was the intention of the lobbyists from both Airmap.io and AMA...

BTW "drones" or UAVs includes planes... as the latest complaints are not multi rotors
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Dec 27, 2019, 02:31 PM
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That may be true but if each member can influence the opinion of ten additional people we then become over a million votes strong. We need to do what we can to influence this decision. There are other interests behind this. The issuing of this proposed rule even made it to our local news broadcasts today. Sort of implying that the government is cracking down on the evil threats to safe air traffic. Someone is promoting this propaganda and misinformation to try to influence public opinion.
This is nothing new. It goes on constantly and some of the players are well known. It doesn't help when the MSM is nothing more than an echo chamber. Journalism is nearly dead in America. The talking heads in front of the TV camera read from carefully scripted propaganda pieces, the majority wouldn't know good journalism if they saw it.
Is it any wonder Americans are so disinformed as the "news" is distorted and slanted to present a certain narrative. It's been going on for a very long time. Noam Chomsky called it "manufacturing consent."


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