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Apr 28, 2019, 08:15 AM
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Bash and Crash indoor 3d using 8mm EPP


After seeing some multiplex indoor 3d models at my local indoor flying club flying extreemly well, I decided to have a go and make my versions ...using 8mm EPP .. 8mm foam being better suited for our halls hard environment.. seriously its a lot tougher..

The multiplex versions are produced in 6mm EPP from a better quality foam, with a cost of about 55 for the kit.. they are very good models but our hall is a killer... they get broken too easily here and are too expensive for me.. DIY is cheaper..

My available EPP foam comes from RobotBirds, in the U.K. its either cut to 4-5mm or 7-8mm.... usually coming at the 8mm thickness.. The thinner material is useless it doesn't last long enough, at our bash and crash sessions it tears too easily and gets badly chopped up in any mid air mixup.. the 8mm takes the hits fine, and my 8mm models last considerably longer..
My first build used 5mm and got wrecked in one session, so now its made in 8mm which takes the hits better..
The AUW is higher than the multiplex models....using a 450 lipo setup they come in at about 225gms
However they can float about slowly enough and are fully 3d aerobatic..


My first job was to gather pictures as a reference to the shapes... Then using my favourite Sketchup drawing program I can trace the outline shapes needed to produce a close enough model

Model 1 was an Extra... this one is very neutral in flight... knife edge etc. is easy.. it is more 3D capable than I am..
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Apr 28, 2019, 08:16 AM
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Using sketchup I copy the outlines. At the same time the shapes get made more basic..
Tags and holes are removed , and any fancy shapes which help aligning parts are removed..
Along with servo holes..
The rudder here has been modified so as to not rub the floor when taking off..
this didn't affect its good knife edge in flight and flat turns are nice and easy.
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Apr 28, 2019, 08:17 AM
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Having copied the basic outlines I made scaled the model to the size I wanted..
An easy job in sketchup..
I removed faces and produced some .pdf files of parts that cant be easily measured and cut .
These PDF files were then put through the scaleandtile program to produce a gridded version, this helps when gluing the pages of the plan together
Note the wings are a measure and cut job..

new pdfs are posted with minor corrections made... the old versions were the ones I used but needed some minor adjusting on the go
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Apr 28, 2019, 08:17 AM
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Cut out all the horizontal parts, remove the ailerons and tail surfaces, cut hinge points with a top chamfer ..
Assemble the horizontal surfaces, fuzz, wings, tailplane , refitting the control surfaces..
I used UHU por for butt joining all the parts.. and uhu por to make the hinge joints..
When its dry, cut side to side on the fixed part of the wing and fit in a 5x1mm CF flat spar..
More strengthening is added using flat CF on the tailplane front and on the control surfaces , ailerons , elevator , rudder
When that's dry we can fit the vertical lower fuzz.. and the 1mm CF bracing
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Apr 28, 2019, 08:35 AM
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Butt join the lower vertical fuzz using UHU por , Make sure its on straight and square as you add a fillet of cool melt adhesive along the joints..
NOTE.... align from the rear end for later fitting the rudder, the nose can be trimmed easier at the finish if needed..
Add the two layers of 1" triangles for a nose block..with a 3"x1" triangular bracing reinforcement behind them
Fit the 1mm rod bracing, on the fuz to reduce twisting..note the tail plane fixed front needs some of the bracing....
and add wheels (optional)..
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Apr 28, 2019, 08:48 AM
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Add the top fuzz vertical.. again align first from the rear , make sure its straight and square as you fillet the joints..
Add the nose triangles..
fit the rudder..
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Apr 28, 2019, 09:19 AM
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Fit the gear, keeping it all forward helps to get a good COG..
pushrods are 1mm CF for the rudder and elevator, they are supported using parts of cable ties drilled then spread along the fuzz..
The elevator rod is on the top of the fuzz so it pulls "up"
The rudder is bellow and pulls "right"..
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Apr 28, 2019, 09:51 AM
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Specs...
AUW....216 gms with a 450 2s lipo .. 7.6oz
Gartt 2204-1800 motor withh an 8x4 gws type prop.
450 2s nanotech..or 3s for outside.
4x tgy1440a servos
10-12A ESC..
6ch orange RX..

Using the horizontal area total 379"sq... 2.632sqft.. 2.888ozsqft.. It flies nice and slow on low power settings

Hover is fine ..knife edge fine.. rolls fast.. loops fine..
Bash and crash resistance is good..
Its a good model for my harsh hall..
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Apr 28, 2019, 10:04 AM
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here is its maiden flight, after an initial short flight for trimming..
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extra 330 8mm maiden flight 25 04 2019 (8 min 21 sec)
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Apr 28, 2019, 10:32 AM
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Its good, it just needs a better pilot
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May 06, 2019, 08:47 PM
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Looks pretty good and flies well too!
May 11, 2019, 05:11 AM
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latest videos
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extra 330 2s indoors 2 (3 min 15 sec)

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extra 330 2s indoors (5 min 39 sec)
May 11, 2019, 05:14 AM
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This is a very neutral flying 3D model... It flies much like the multiplex 330sc it was based on, its just a bit heavier using 8mm EPP so it is a lot more crash resistant and slightly less floaty..

The 8mm epp takes the crashes and mid airs without falling apart... I found the thinner material very poor in our hall..
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May 14, 2019, 12:53 PM
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What is that you are using for the pushrod guides?


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