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Mar 03, 2019, 04:17 AM
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What plane is this?


Hi,
I went to an RC airshow today and while most of the planes were proudly groomed by their owners there were some that remained unattended for the 2 1/2 hours I was there so I was unable to find out much about them. Can anyone please tell me what this is and who makes it? Sadly I never saw it fly but i was quite taken with the style of plane.

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David
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Mar 03, 2019, 10:34 AM
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I believe that it is a TopFlite Elder or something similar. It is not really a scale model but people can have fun by adding detail and making them look more realistic.

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Mar 03, 2019, 03:06 PM
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I believe that it is a TopFlite Elder or something similar. It is not really a scale model but people can have fun by adding detail and making them look more realistic.

Teo
Thanks for your reply - that does indeed seem to check out correctly. So it's really only vintage looking rather than based on an actual plane from bygone days. While that's still nice I think for the time and expense involved I would want something that was a recognizable scale replica.
Thanks again for the reply.

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David
Mar 06, 2019, 10:09 PM
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Might it be a Proctor Antic? Another not scale model but very similar in appearance.
Mar 07, 2019, 03:32 AM
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Might it be a Proctor Antic? Another not scale model but very similar in appearance.
Thanks for the additional input. While it's a nice model I think a true scale model would be a nicer option.

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David
Mar 07, 2019, 10:45 AM
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As was mentioned, it's an Elder.

The Antic(s) are far more "scale-like" in both the build and appearance but aren't scale. If you want a biplane option, the Proctor Nieuport 11 is not much different than the Antic, but scale (the Nieuport 11's top wing uses the same ribs as the mini-Antic monoplane).

I think the only scale early 1900s open frame monoplane that has been kitted is the Bleriot; Royal had two size kits but neither one were all that great. Maxford has an ARF Bleriot and there are 1/4-scale plans floating around.

If you don't mind a covered fuselage an Eindecker is another good option. Balsa USA has kits in both .40 and [https://shop.balsausa.com/product_p/417.htm].90[/url] size. Proctor makes (or made) a museum-quality kit too.
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Mar 07, 2019, 03:22 PM
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As was mentioned, it's an Elder.

The Antic(s) are far more "scale-like" in both the build and appearance but aren't scale. If you want a biplane option, the Proctor Nieuport 11 is not much different than the Antic, but scale (the Nieuport 11's top wing uses the same ribs as the mini-Antic monoplane).

I think the only scale early 1900s open frame monoplane that has been kitted is the Bleriot; Royal had two size kits but neither one were all that great. Maxford has an ARF Bleriot and there are 1/4-scale plans floating around.

If you don't mind a covered fuselage an Eindecker is another good option. Balsa USA has kits in both .40 and [https://shop.balsausa.com/product_p/417.htm].90[/url] size. Proctor makes (or made) a museum-quality kit too.
Thanks for the information. It's good to know these early planes haven't been totally abandoned but it seems a shame that there are so few options, especially cheaper stand-off scale planes. Is it a lack of interest in vintage planes or do they not lend themselves to low cost "foamy" construction. I remember some years back a beautiful SE5a but in spite of demand for it they stopped making it.

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David
Mar 07, 2019, 07:49 PM
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Thanks for the information. It's good to know these early planes haven't been totally abandoned but it seems a shame that there are so few options, especially cheaper stand-off scale planes. Is it a lack of interest in vintage planes or do they not lend themselves to low cost "foamy" construction. I remember some years back a beautiful SE5a but in spite of demand for it they stopped making it.

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David
Some of the kit manufacturers have disappeared, cut back, or transitioned to ARFs.

Proctor is still around but I understand getting kits can be slow. Balsa USA has a huge following with an ever-expanding line of designs in various sizes. They're not especially "museum quality", but their designs look good and fly well.

It seems there's no lack of interest in the WW1-era though. There's a WW1 event here every January that is getting more and more popular (some pictures are posted here: http://bit.ly/bluemax2019 http://bit.ly/bluemax2017 and http://bit.ly/bluemax2016)
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Mar 07, 2019, 11:30 PM
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Some of the kit manufacturers have disappeared, cut back, or transitioned to ARFs.

Proctor is still around but I understand getting kits can be slow. Balsa USA has a huge following with an ever-expanding line of designs in various sizes. They're not especially "museum quality", but their designs look good and fly well.

It seems there's no lack of interest in the WW1-era though. There's a WW1 event here every January that is getting more and more popular (some pictures are posted here: http://bit.ly/bluemax2019 http://bit.ly/bluemax2017 and http://bit.ly/bluemax2016)
It's reassuring to hear there's still a solid following of these early planes. Thanks also for the links - there's some serious modelers in that lot. Absolutely beautiful! I will forward those to my flying buddy who will be equally delighted to see them.
Many thanks.

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David
Apr 17, 2019, 12:06 AM
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Gents that's not a Top Flite Elder. That there is the cheap foamy that Hobbyking did. It's a direct rip off of the Top Flite elder only foam and smaller. I know this because I own one haha.

It does fly pretty good but Hobbyking stopped making it a while ago. I think they called it a Pioneer from memory.
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Looking closer, you're right. It fooled me!
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