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Feb 04, 2019, 06:24 AM
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In my submission, I said that there needs to be a clear definition as to what a drone is. The definition is too ambiguous at the moment.
I believe a drone is anything that is remotely piloted. Meaning, everything using a radio control.
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Feb 04, 2019, 07:04 AM
I'm a balsa butcher
I consider a drone to be something that can fly autonomously and beyond los.

This is the problem. Every one has a different idea as to what a drone actually is.
Feb 04, 2019, 08:07 AM
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Read through all the rules and issuances from CASA over the last few years and you will get to understand that to CASA a RPA/RPAS/Drone/Model Aircraft are all the same in type in that they fly or aviate without a tethered control. To CASA there is not difference between a multirotor or a fixed wing and if you dig deep this includes unmanned tethered/untethered balloons, kites and unmanned rockets.
I did the consultation survey, didn't like the limited responses but did it anyway. I'm an association member who flies at a CASA approved field so these new proposal do not change my situation but I feel that what is proposed will not discourage idjits.

I would opine that current CASA rules are sufficient as long as there is the ability to police and prosecute with increasing levels of penalties that can become life changing to protagonists rather than an increasing plethora of new rules that effects those of us who do the right thing.
Feb 04, 2019, 08:36 AM
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I'm an association member who flies at a CASA approved field so these new proposal do not change my situation
Whether they change your situation, or not, will depend on whether or not MAAA/AMAS are ultimately successful in keeping the exemption they have tried to negotiate.

I am also a supporter of the suggestion that every one of the 12000 or so currently registered Australian aeromodellers respond to the survey. The MAAA has written to its members suggesting the same. My own response went in days ago. Many thousands of responses all demanding exemption from the changes for model aircraft flown at MAAA/AMAS approved flying sites might have a positive impact on the decision.

I also agree with the view that the terminology used could do with some definitions. CASA does distinguish between model aircraft and drones - at least it uses both terms in the survey documentation - so one assumes there must be a difference in someone's mind.
Feb 06, 2019, 11:37 PM
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Since the perceived problem relates largely to "low-pilot-skill-camera-drones" from manufacturers the likes of DJI, the onus (and cost) should be on these manufacturers to fix the issue. They were well and truly represented on the working group.

e.g. The first time you switch on your new 'Phantom', the firmware interrogates the GPS - notes that you are in Australia and advises that an 'activation code' is required. You go to the CASA web page, enter serial number, answer safety questions and receive unique 'activation code'. SIMPLE

And given that DJI apparently has no qualms about automatically updating firmware to enforce such things as retrospectively preventing the use of third party batteries etc, this could also address the legacy fleet.

This would result in the ability to educate the vast majority of users who are likely to do the wrong thing through ignorance, far more so than the 'blanket' registration proposed.

And then model aircraft enthusiasts, who have been operating safely and responsibly, for DECADES could be left alone!
Feb 07, 2019, 07:20 AM
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e.g. The first time you switch on your new 'Phantom', the firmware interrogates the GPS - notes that you are in Australia and advises that an 'activation code' is required. You go to the CASA web page, enter serial number, answer safety questions and receive unique 'activation code'. SIMPLE
I really like this
Feb 09, 2019, 05:01 AM
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There are probably just as many scratch built that would get around that issue, so while it's a good sounding plan it won't "fly".

Unfortunately our desire to drive costs down means our hobby over the years has become cheaper and more accessible to the point, what we are seeing in the loss of our privilege to operate under a simple advisory was inevitable.
Feb 21, 2019, 09:34 PM
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Last day for submissions today.
Apr 02, 2019, 03:00 AM
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Australia to tax RC planes and drones - is it fair? (15 min 55 sec)
Apr 02, 2019, 05:22 AM
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Casa has sold off the airspace below 400 feet to commercial operators for parcel and product delivery services.
Apr 03, 2019, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by panzerd18
It appears any submissions made were a waste of time and these regs affect every modeller in Australia.

I can see more Control line models being flown.

It looks like my unfinished RC models will remain that way for some time yet. .
Apr 03, 2019, 07:20 PM
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Bruce and his BS. It will be a 20 buck registration fee for the operator unless you are commercial. LOL talk about Fake news

https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/new...-scheme-update

So in NZ any charge to register anything is automatically a Tax Bruce, stop trying to help the RC community against the big bad evil man. Go back to doing your tech stuff and leave the BS press to the Press.

Humphrey, I don't think it will be that bad. Build and fly and enjoy.
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Apr 03, 2019, 07:43 PM
I fly SLOPE landings are crash
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Bruce and his BS. It will be a 20 buck registration fee for the operator unless you are commercial. LOL talk about Fake news

https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/new...-scheme-update

Humphrey, I don't think it will be that bad. Build and fly and enjoy.
The legislation is so ambiguous.

Does it apply to individual models?
If so. What happens when I crash on a maiden flight?

The legislation is so full of legal mumbo jumbo you need a law degree to understand it.
Apr 03, 2019, 07:52 PM
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Nah for us recreational fliers it will be "less than" 20 dollars every year or 3 years so the operator is registered. Number will need to be on or in the "drone/drones" (hate that term) we own. At time of registration there will be a simple online quiz which will ask the basic questions about keeping away from people, airports etc. They have a guideline flier with all the rules, so just have that open when you register and it will have all the answers to any questions.
Apr 04, 2019, 03:54 AM
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Well this just got emailed out from MAAA

On behalf of the MAAA, I am sending through this email to update our members on the proposed CASA Registration and Accreditation Scheme outcome for MAAA Clubs and Members. Your Executive prepared significant supporting documentation for Mr Shane Carmody, the Director of Aviation Safety (CASA) in light of the proposed registration and Accreditation of RPA’s within Australia. On Monday 25th March the MAAA Secretary met with three high level managers of CASA in Chris Monaghan, Anthony Stanton and Luke Gumley. This was in relation to the direction of the CASA registration and accreditation system. The material presented included significant information on the historical safety performance of the MAAA.

The MAAA Executive is pleased to confirm that the exemption for all MAAA club locations and other flying sites will be achieved. Flying sites other than actual club sites, for example once a year float plane sites, will need to be identified, confirmed and approved by your State Association. Once these sites are confirmed, the MAAA membership will not be required to undertake any further registration or accreditation for these sites. Documenting these sites in the MAAA exemption list will require your clubs’ involvement with your State Association. The MAAA has again worked tirelessly to achieve these exemptions.

In summary:
No operational change or registration required for any MAAA member flying at a MAAA Club.
No operational change or registration required for any MAAA member flying at a MAAA flying site outside of a club location (locations to be identified and included on a flying site list to be established by your State Association).
Clubs or flying sites currently operated with a current Area Approval (height extension etc.) are NOT affected by any proposed CASA Registration or accreditation scheme. (i.e. These sites already have an instrument and conditions in place for MAAA members at those sites and are exempt from impacts).
Operation of non-motorised models/gliders is currently exempt from CASA registration at any location (all MAAA clubs/flying sites and other locations). This includes but not limited to Discuss Launch Gliders and slope soaring activities etc.

I hope this information serves to further reduce any of our memberships fear on the impact of the CASA Registration and Accreditation scheme and demonstrates the continued dedication of the MAAA to our members, clubs and state associations. On saying this the MAAA will continue to work with CASA to ensure the rights of MAAA members are considered in any further discussions. We will continue to monitor the progress to ensure what has been agreed is implemented.


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