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Apr 15, 2018, 11:10 PM
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Ultima 2

The Ultima 2 is DS composites newest F5J competition model. Optimized specifically for F5J, it sports a brand new wing, fuselage and tails and features a 3 piece wing (3.65 meters or 4 meters versions), a two-piece 2.4 friendly fuselage (nose and main fuselage) and detachable tails for easier transport. The two parts of the fuselage are interlocked by the wing when mounted on the fuselage. This means to assemble the fuselage you just need to slip the nose piece on the main fuselage, plug the motor connector, install the wing via 2 screws and the nose is locked into position and ready for flight. No tape, no dedicated screws, perfect alignment. An added bonus is the ability to replace the nose and motor system with a nose that has a stronger motor system mounted for windy conditions. Interchangeability allows changing the motors between models within just a handful of seconds and assembly at the field is as easy as can be.

Unlike many F5J’s wings which are designed as dual-purpose wings for F3J, the Ultima 2 wing was designed without the strength considerations of F3J launch. This allows the reduction of both the width and thickness of the wing and enables a design which boosts the performance of the wing considerably. The Ultima 2 wing is 234 mm wide at the root and sports 8 optimized airfoils along the span starting with a 7% thick airfoil at the root and ending with a 5.4% airfoil at the tip.
The Ultima 2 wing is available at 2 wing lengths, 4 meters and 3.6 meters. Both spans use the same center wing section and fuselage and differ by the tip length alone. The Ultima 2 “short tips” is aimed to be more agile and the Ultima 2 “long tips” incorporates slightly higher performance in both L/D and in rate of descent.
Both wings and fuselage fold down to a length just below 150 cm. Early on it was decided that saving 30-40 grams and putting them back into the wing to make it stiffer was more important than a model which folds down to 120-110 cm instead of 150 cm. Therefore, the center and the longest part of the fuselage are just shy of 150 cm.

The fuselage of the Ultima 2 is designed to be both functional as well as high performing. Airflow on F5J fuselages is turbulent due to the effects of the propeller at the very front of the fuselage. The resulting turbulence on the fuselage increases drag proportionally to the surface area of the fuselage and not directly to its cross section. Therefore, a small increase to the cross section adds very little drag to the fuselage while enabling an easy installation with even easier ballast arrangement. The slightly increased cross section allows more options of equipment and easy access to components along with room for batteries of different sizes and positions to adjust the CG.
The wing is mounted on the fuselage by means of a small pylon which reduces the drag but also enables an excellent grip to the fuselage even in strong winds, a very important feature for safe launching in gusty weather. The tail boom is a balance between low surface area aimed at drag reduction and volume for stiffness and strength.
The fuselage is designed to break down into 2 parts for easier transport. At first, we explored a 2-piece fuselage which parts behind the trailing edge of the wing but the cost of moving the components to such an aft position is the need to balance the model with a heavier battery or motor so a light model will require less material and a subsequent reduction in strength to achieve its target weight. After investigating several options, we opted to position the servos in a designated compartment in front of the leading edge of the wing and have the nose be removed by a “nose cone” of sorts which includes all motor system parts such as the motor, propeller, controller, battery, and altimeter and a canopy for easy access. The nose is slipped over the fuselage and only the motor control needs to be plugged allowing a servo extension to act as the connector, thereby reducing installation weight to a minimum.
The nose is also designed to be 2.4 friendly so the antennas can be mounted inside the fuselage to reduce drag and prevent damage.
The servo installation in the fuselage allows the use of the same servos of the wing in a similar installation so you need to keep only one type of servo as a spare for the entire model.

The tails of the Ultima 2 have been redesigned with both drag and handling in mind. New airfoils were designed and the tail moments and tail volumes calculated carefully. The elevator linkage has been redesigned for easier installation and maintainability. Controlling the tails is done via carbon pushrods in Teflon sleeves.
Production of the Ultima 2 is done in Aluminum pressure molds. Wings and tails are full Rohacell core. Fuselage is pressure molded similar to DLG fuselages. Lessons have been learned from the Ultima 1 and the molds were designed lighter and more accurate and also analyzed to reduce deformations in the production process. The mold for the center section is a piece of art milled in one part with the dihedral angle in the middle. This prevents deformation and improves the surface quality at the very root. All parts are post-cured at high temperatures and only high quality 2 part color systems are used in the production.

Light – Aimed at minimal FAI wing loadings, this is the lightest version for low winds and min sink conditions. This version is limited up to 300 grams of ballast. Long wing – 1020-1120 gram, short wing – 950-1050 gram.
Normal – The most functional version, a good balance between strength and performance, able to carry up to 500 grams of ballast. Long wing – 1250-1350 gram, short wing – 1200-1300 gram.
Strong – Reinforced wing skins, reinforced spar and fuselage. For winds and turbulence. A more robust version for when conditions require more weight and thermals are strong. Able to carry up to 650 grams of ballast. Long wing – 1450-1550 gram, short wing – 1400-1500 gram.
Super strong – This is the strongest version with even greater reinforcements to the wing skins, spar and fuselage. For FAI max winds. Able to carry 800+ grams of ballast. Long wing – 1650-1750 gram, short wing – 1600-1700 gram.

From the very first flight the model showed amazing potential. Maidened on Friday evening just before dark, just 2 days later, Grega Urbancic, on his first ever F5J competition managed to fly into 5th place in a major Eurotour competition in some very difficult weather.
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Apr 15, 2018, 11:11 PM
In F3J size does matter!
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Attached are my settings for the short and long tips.
The recommended CG is 95-105, I prefer it about 98-100 mm in light conditions and 95-98 in turbulence.
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Apr 15, 2018, 11:12 PM
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A nice build thread:
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Apr 15, 2018, 11:46 PM
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Apr 16, 2018, 12:59 AM
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Congratulations for the innovative design. I love the fuselage arrangement.

I have to ask, and I'm genuinely asking, why go to such accuracy for the moulds when the solid core backed skin becomes textured and all accuracy is lost?
Has this been addressed with the "U2"?
Is it even a problem? I know I'd be disappointed if my wing looked like LEVEL LOOP CARPET
I'll be interested to see a 6 month old wing after a few comps.

Apr 16, 2018, 01:02 AM
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Great to see the innovation.

I am guessing that changing motor pods will probably at least require battery rearranging and more likely some fiddling with tail weight.

Is the airfoil much changed from the Ultima 1?
Apr 16, 2018, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by davidleitch
Great to see the innovation.

I am guessing that changing motor pods will probably at least require battery rearranging and more likely some fiddling with tail weight.

Is the airfoil much changed from the Ultima 1?
Changing the motor pods can be done with shortening the nose and using a bigger spinner so mounting the moter more aft is possible and of course shifting the battery back as well. A 400 watt motor is 70 gram, a 600 watt motor is 105 grams, spinner and prop weigh about the same, controller is about 10 grams a difference between a 40 amp to a 60 amp controller and the battery is less than 20 gram difference, that is if you use a bigger battery as you probably won’t be pulling high amps for more than a few seconds anyways.
So the difference is about 50 grams and shifting the CG of these parts 50-60 mm back would fix balancing issues for the most part.

Larrikin, don’t confuse accuracy with surface finish. And yes, the surface finish has been improving nicely. On the Vortex 3 the surface finish is looking much better due to changes in production techniques and materials.
I would also challenge the accuracy of hollow molded wings After demolding but all this was thoroughly discussed in a different thread so can be further explored there.
Besides, golf balls have less drag
Apr 16, 2018, 06:21 AM
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7% at the root , 5,4 % at the tip. Wing mounted on a pylon. Can't remember were i have seen that before,
I guess great minds think alike
Apr 16, 2018, 08:47 AM
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The very root is actually 7.5% for strength reasons, dropping very quickly to 6.94% and then continuing on dropping from there. The tip foil is based on the Ultima 1 tip foil which is 5.5% thick (Ultima 1 root is 7.9% BTW).

The pylon is a natural progression to reduce drag and also allows room for ballast as it raises the wing connector.
My reference for a good grip was the Supra which probably has the best grip of any glider I have held to date. I choose not to go as extreme for production purposes. In addition there quite a few pylon mounted wings in current day RC gliders.

When using similar tools one reaches similar solutions...
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Apr 16, 2018, 08:55 AM
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Model looks amazing. Cheers to all the guys hard work.
Apr 16, 2018, 09:06 AM
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Wing dimensions are:
Short wing
Span 3.65 m
Area 71.3 dm
AR 18.7

Long wing
Span 3.98 m
Area 77 dm
AR 20.4

Elevator area 7.5 dm
Apr 16, 2018, 09:40 AM
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When will these be available stateside?
Apr 16, 2018, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by QuadFlopper
When will these be available stateside?
In the next few of weeks we plan to finalize layups and production and also complete testing the model to make sure it’s ready for release.
After that orders will start shipping out.
Apr 16, 2018, 11:28 AM
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Glad I waited for MY next plane! This looks like an AWSOME update to the Ultima 1,, I'll be inline for one!
Is Ali still your US dealer??
Apr 16, 2018, 12:35 PM
Stefan Boicu
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1st unit is in Denis's hands and the 2nd one is in my hands. Something normal I would say
Thanks Denis for this beauty. I can't wait to make it RTF and compete.

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