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Mar 08, 2018, 08:22 PM
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The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL


A good video but I don't agree with the MAIN reason being oil , I think Germany would have still been defeated even if they had crushed Russia.
The A bomb would have been dropped on Berlin and as Japan . More oil for Germany would have just prolonged the worlds misery longer but
the defeat of Germany would have been in 46-47 maybe . This came from another forum and I would like to see LTUP's take on this ........

The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL (46 min 36 sec)
Mar 08, 2018, 10:03 PM
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We kept bombing oil fields and factories. That sure didn't help. Also, we were sinking German subs like crazy and had fighters with enough range to escort bombers. Not to mention that we got our mass production all going in one direction. All the wonder weapons they could come up with were too few and too late.
Mar 08, 2018, 11:05 PM
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There were many reasons why they lost. It was stupid to attack Russia and a horrible decision to declare war on the US.
Mar 08, 2018, 11:08 PM
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The surmise is an interesting one, and has some merit for part of the explanation, however German production of war machinery was also relatively inefficient. Ameria's great invention for war was not the mustang or any other particular development, but instead I'd suggest it was the standardization of production: If a Sherman needed a part - you could take one off and bolt another one on and expect it to fit and work - same for aircrft. This was not the case for a large amount of German (and to some lesser extent UK) production. If you read into the operations of German armour units, you soon read about the challenges. Then add into the mix the tension between the politically supported units vs the standard army etc and favoritism becomes tension and a meritocracy is the last thing on a Nazi's mind.
Mar 09, 2018, 12:12 AM
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2 fronts and attacking during Russian winters killed the weirmarcht/Nazis.

Attacking Russia though. Imagine ww2 if Germany and Russia stayed aligned? I've read/watches tons and tons of material on WW2,,but I've never known if Russia was planning to turn on Hitler, and Hitler just did it first. If not, that would be a scary thought. Britian would have certainly fell, and the Ruso/German alliance may have had enough time to gear up for attacking American shores. Yikes.
Mar 09, 2018, 07:31 AM
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Victor Davis Hanson released a book in late 2017 that examines the war from aspect of the mistake Hitler made in widening it to include the US and other countries. https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/a-new-classic/

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It is the contention of Victor Davis Hanson’s profoundly-researched, extraordinarily well-written, and insightful book that if Hitler had managed to keep the struggle as a European War (II) rather than allowing it to career out into a World War II, then the Nazis would have undoubtedly won.

As the use of the plural in The Second World Wars implies, Hanson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of 21 books, mainly on military history, sees the conflict that began with Japan’s invasion of China in 1931 and ended with Japan’s surrender to the Allies in 1945 as a series of wars that were surprisingly discrete, at least until 1941 when hubristic (and almost insane) German and Japanese overreach brought them all together into one great struggle that the Axis powers had no possibility of winning. In his exposition of this thesis, displaying a depth of knowledge of the period that is often simply astounding, Hanson has written what I consider to be the most important single-volume explanation of World War II since Richard Overy’s Why the Allies Won (1996)—that is, for a generation.
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Mar 09, 2018, 08:01 AM
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Victor David Hanson has just released a book that examines the war from aspect of the mistake Hitler made in widening it to include the US and other countries. https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/a-new-classic/
Looks good, I think I'll pick up a copy. Thanks.
I try to read one nonfiction book a month.
Mar 09, 2018, 08:14 AM
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Looks good, I think I'll pick up a copy. Thanks.
I try to read one nonfiction book a month.
I decided I needed to start reading more and spending less time on-line and I'm starting with this book as I've been a fan of VDH for a long time. https://www.amazon.com/Second-World-...s+hanson+books
Mar 09, 2018, 08:15 AM
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I've always wondered how the US involvement in the European War would have progressed had it not been for the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack by Japan. There was a lot of American isolationism sentiment against an European involvement at the time.
Mar 09, 2018, 09:21 AM
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I've always wondered how the US involvement in the European War would have progressed had it not been for the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack by Japan. There was a lot of American isolationism sentiment against an European involvement at the time.
I don't think we would've engaged in Europe had Germany not declared war on us. Our enemy at the time was Japan and not Germany. Once they declared war on us it opened the door for us to focus on them. It was a huge mistake by Hitler.
Mar 09, 2018, 09:39 AM
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I don't think we would've engaged in Europe had Germany not declared war on us. Our enemy at the time was Japan and not Germany. Once they declared war on us it opened the door for us to focus on them. It was a huge mistake by Hitler.
I tend to agree with that. Germany may not have declared war on us had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack by Japan. Germany and Japan were in an alliance with each other, but I've never heard that Japan had informed Germany about their war intentions against the US. Although, once the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor happened, Germany had no choice but to declare war on the US, because of their alliance with Japan.
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Mar 09, 2018, 09:53 AM
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Oil was a big reason, but NO ONE in the world had the production capacity AND the fuel that the USA had, and I think what is happening now with the steel and aluminum tariffs maybe be painful but a good thing to get some of our production capacity back, the USA has turned into a bunch of latte sipping wimps who don’t produce raw materials any more.
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Mar 09, 2018, 10:05 AM
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Embargos, Sanctions and constant bombing of oil refineries and factories.. German technology was fairly advanced and if they still had the resources, could have turned the tide of war in favor of the Nazis.
Mar 09, 2018, 10:09 AM
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Germany lacked everything at the end of the war. Germany could have never won WW2 in any scenario, even if they had invented the atom bomb first.
Mar 09, 2018, 10:32 AM
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The 20 million dead Russians who caused 86% of German military casualties might also have something to do with it.


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