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The Mobius Maxi Support Thread (Read InfoPosts 1-8 before posting)


A new Mobius camera has just been released. It's been named the Mobius Maxi due to it's similar video imaging hardware with it's little brother, the Mobius Mini. The Maxi has expanded capability, including a larger battery, and is similar in size and weight to the Mobius 2.

More support info will be added to the first 8 mandatory reading "InfoPosts" here when available.


Thread Usage Protocol

This thread is hosted by Mobius Maxi users, not the camera developer, and is part of a radio controlled model web site in a Forum dedicated to Aerial Photography. As such, the content of this thread is intended to focus on the topic of the Mobius Maxi Actioncam and it's operation and capabilities for aerial video purposes. There will be users interested in the Maxi for purposes other than aerial video, and you are welcome here for the purpose of helping you with the camera's operation. But issues with adapting the camera to uses other than aerial video are considered off topic, and should be discussed in other forums or threads, e.g.:Video links posted here should relate to the RC aerial video topic area. Examples of off topic videos are:
  • Car driving recorder videos
  • Biking videos
  • Video of RC cars and boats
  • Routine ground scene videos to show off your new camera (I know you're excited, but...)

    Exceptions: Any video that shows a specific problem with the camera's operation or a solution for those problems are desired and will help others regardless of how they might use their Maxi.
Suggestions for camera feature improvements should be well thought out as having broad appeal, and realistic within the bounds of this camera's uniqueness for size, weight, and price point. Most of these will be firmware related, not physical redesign. The camera developer monitors this thread and has implemented many features from user input.

Finally, this thread is a "self-help" thread! The 8 "info posts" following this one contain much information that can answer many user questions. These info posts will be updated as needed with new information. It is my intent and expectation that thread posters will "do their homework" and access these posts before posting new questions. If you still have questions, the advanced thread search function should be used to help find posts that relate to your issue. This will not only help keep the thread from becoming bloated with redundant questions that have been asked and answered many times, it will also keep the thread more interesting to the target audience.

If this is your first time reading this thread, please read the next 8 posts now to familiarize yourself with this thread's structure and resources. These "InfoThreads" will be continually updated with any new information of general interest, so always check here first before asking questions.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation!
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Vendors and Specifications


The Mobius Maxi is a "big brother" to the Mobius Mini, with similar video capture and processing hardware. but with added capability, including larger capacity battery. This necessitated a larger case with better heat dissipation characteristics, resulting in the camera being similar size and weigh as the Mobius M2. The firmware will continue to mature and be refined as much as possible. The developer monitors this thread for user feedback on the camera's functionality.

Verified Vendors

[B]You are advised to only buy your Maxi from a developer-verified source. Verified vendors not only sell the real Maxi camera, accessories, and some replacement parts, they have pledged a commitment to customer satisfaction, both before and after a sale, and are your first contact if any early problems are found and not caused by user abuse, crash damage, etc. If parts are not listed on their sites, use their web site contact link to request what you need. Payment via PayPal is usually available. The developer's China eBay direct seller (eletoponline365) is the official source for the camera's sold by re-sellers, and will usually have the lowest delivered prices as well as common replacement parts not listed in store web pages. They can also relay user feedback to the developer (email [email protected]). The other re-sellers may offer quicker delivery depending on your location. Prices can vary from one vendor to the other and depends on what is included in different accessory packages. The cost from the China direct seller eBay outlets will be nominally about US$75 with free shipping.

Direct Seller:
China: eletoponline365
Re-sellers:
China:BangGood

U.S.: BuyMobius.com, a.k.a. novotm (MA); BangGood-US warehouse (CA); SPYTEC (NY)

Europe: BangGood (UK warehouse); Webbex (UK); Mobiuscam (RU); Mobiuscam (CZ); Mobius-cam (English),(Dutch)
Non-verified sellers may be selling fake imitation cameras at seemingly bargain prices, and you should be wary of buying from them.

NOTE: Both users and vendors are expected to abide by this forum and thread vendor communication protocol.

Maxi camera and included accessory pics:


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Camera Configuration and Firmware


Camera Configuration and Firmware Information

It is strongly recommended that users with Windows PCs always use the mSetup graphical user interface (GUI) program to change camera settings and update firmware.

This post has an overview of the Windows mSetup GUI software program authored by Isoprop, as well as the link for downloading it and his detailed Maxi User Guide.

Maxi Smart Phone Apps

The developer has written both Android and iPhone Apps (named MOBIUS MAXI WIFI) to enable configuring camera settings, live viewing the camera's FOV, and playing or downloading videos or images from the camera's memory card in the field. The Android App is available at the Google Play store. The iPhone App is available for download only at the Apple App store when accessed via an iOS mobile device (iPhone or iPad). This iTunes website shows a very preview of a few App screens, but you cannot download the App from there.

If a problem with an App is found, email details directly to the developer at [email protected].

NOTE: The camera WiFi signal is weak with a very short range and high latency. Do NOT attempt to use this function for FPV flying!

New firmware and user settings can be loaded into the camera manually as a last resort (see below), but it requires specific file editing and handling procedures as well as multiple button press sequences on the camera. It is easy for user errors to cause these updates to fail! Also, there are numerous camera settings, some of which conflict with each other if both are toggled on at the same time. The GUI program will not permit these conflicting settings to be set, so do yourself a favor and use the GUI tools if possible.

Optional Manual User Configuration Setting Procedure Via Config Text File Editing

If a GUI tool is not available for your computer or you would rather just edit the configuration text file manually, it's easy to do, just follow these steps exactly:

1. Download the camera's configuration file to the flash card in the camera (HOLD DOWN MODE BUTTON, THEN ALSO HOLD DOWN POWER BUTTON [the LEDs will flash for several seconds] UNTIL THE YELLOW LED TURNS ON STEADY).

2. Turn the camera on, connect it to your PC, and access the camera root directory when it goes into the "removable disk mode".

3. Open the "SysCfg2C.txt" config text file with a simple (ASCII) text editor (e.g. the familiar "Notepad" text editor for Windows users). The file will look similar to this:
Code:
DateTime= 2018/04/01-12:18	;Date time setting,yyyy/mm/dd-hh:mm	 
DateTime_Update=0	;Confirm to update the Date/Time or not , 0: No, 1: Yes  
DateStyle=0		;Set date format,0:YYYY/MM/DD, 1:MM/DD/YYYY , 2:DD/MM/YYYY 
Image_Size=0		;Set image size, 0: 2704x1524, 1: 2048x1536, 2:1600x1200,3:1920x1080,4:1280x960 
Image_Quality=2		;Set image Quality, 0: Super Fine 1: Fine 2: Normal  
Photo_Osd=1		;Set photo preview OSD, 0:Off, 1:On 
Time_Lapse=0		;Set TimeLapse interval, 0: Off, 1: 3Sec, 2: 5Sec, 3: 10Sec, 4: 30Sec, 5: 1Min 
Time_Lapse_Duration=0	;Set Time Lapse Duration,	0: Unlimited, 1: 5Min, 2: 10Min, 3: 15Min, 4: 20Min, 5: 30Min, 6: 60Min 
Driver_Mode=0		;Set shutter delay, 0: Off, 1: 2 Seconds, 2: 10 Seconds, 3: 10 Seconds double exposure 
Photo_Burst=0		;Set Photo Burst, 0:Off , 1: 3 Photos, 2: 5 Photos, 3: 10 Photos	 
Video_Size1=3		;Set Video1 Size,0:3840x2160(24fps),1:2704x1524(30fps),2:1920x1440(30fps),3:FHD(60fps),4:FHD(50fps),5:FHD(48fps),6:FHD(30fps),7:FHD(25fps),8:FHD(24fps),9:HD(120fps),10:HD(100fps), 11:HD(60fps),12:HD(50fps),13:848x480(240fps) 
Video_Size2=9		;Set Video2 Size,0:3840x2160(24fps),1:2704x1524(30fps),2:1920x1440(30fps),3:FHD(60fps),4:FHD(50fps),5:FHD(48fps),6:FHD(30fps),7:FHD(25fps),8:FHD(24fps),9:HD(120fps),10:HD(100fps), 11:HD(60fps),12:HD(50fps),13:848x480(240fps) 
FOV=0			;Set Field of view, 0:Wide FOV, 1:Narrow FOV 
Video_Quality=1		;Set VideoQuality, 0:Super Fine, 1:Fine, 2:Normal, 3:Extreme(Warning: may have some dropped frames for some memory cards or other issues if set to Extremely High Bitrate.) 
Media_Format=1		;Set Media Format, 0: MOV, 1: MP4 
Sharpness=2		;Set Sharpness, 0:Super Hard, 1:Hard, 2:Normal, 3:Soft, 4:Super Soft 
Saturation=6		;Set Saturation bias, 0:-6, 1:-5, 2:-4, 3:-3, 4:-2, 5:-1, 6:0, 7:1, 8:2, 9:3, 10:4, 11:5, 12:6 
AE_Metering=1		;Set AEMetering method, 0: Center area, 1: Multi spot, 2: Center spot, 3: Top, 4: Bottom	 
Exposure=6		;Set Exposure bias, 0:-2, 1:-1.66, 2:-1.33, 3:-1.0, 4:-0.66, 5:-0.33, 6:0, 7:0.33, 8:0.66, 9:1.0, 10:1.33, 11:1.66, 12:2.0	 
Movie_Voice=2		;Set recording voice, 0: Off, 1: Low, 2: Normal, 3: High 
Ext_Mic=0		;Set extern micphone, 0: Off, 1: On. Warning: please keep it disabled as default, unless you have a working external mic. Enable ex-mic will disable the camera mic. 
Stabilizer=0		;Set stabilizer, 0: off, 1: on 	 
Loop_Record=0		;Set loop record, 0: Off, 1: On 
Recording_LED=3		;Set recording LED, 0: Both Off, 1: Front Off Rear On, 2: Front On Rear Off, 3:Both On 
Clip_Length=1		;Set clip length, 0: 1 Min, 1: 3 Min, 2: 5 Min, 3: 10 Min, 4:15 Min, 5: Max to 4G 
Image_Orientation=0	;Set sensor Orientation, 0:Normal upright, 1:Inverted (rotate 180 deg.), 2:Mirror horizontally, 3:Mirror vertically 
Auto_Flip=0		;Set auto flip on/off, 0: Off, 1: On 
G_Sensor=0		;Set gsensor sensitivity, 0: Off, 1: Low, 2: Medium, 3: High 
White_Balance=0		;Set white balance mode, 0: AWB, 1: Daylight, 2: Cloudy, 3: Tungsten, 4:Fluor 
AE/AWB_Lock=0		;Set AE/AWB lock(quick press power button to set locks), 0: AE/AWB lock off, 1: Both AE/AWB, 2: Only AE, 3: Only AWB 
Video_Osd=1		;Set video preview OSD, 0: Off, 1: On	 
Motion_Detect=0		;Set Motion Detect, 0: Off, 1: On 
MD_Sensitivity=0	;Set Motion Detect Sensitivity, 0:High, 1:Normal, 2:Low 
MD_Timeout=2		;Set Motion Detect Record time, 0:5S, 1:15S, 2:30S, 3:60S, 4:3Minutes, 5:5Minutes 
pwn_auto_rec=0		;Set Auto Record with external power, 0: Off, 1: On 
TV_Full_Screen=0	;Set Full Screen On/Off, 0: Off, 1: On 
Plug_Out_Adapter=0	;Auto Off with External Power Disconnected, 0: Immediately off, 1: Delay a set time, 2:Records until battery empty 
Delay_Time=0		;Set Power Off Delay Time, the default value is 2 Seconds; 0: 2 Sec, 1: 5 Sec, 2: 10 Sec, 3: 30 Sec, 4: 60 Sec, 5: 2 Min, 6: 5 Min, 7: 10 Min  
BeepControl=1		;Set Beep sound off/on, 0: Off, 1: On	 
Sleep_Time=1		;Set auto-shutdown delay, 0: Off, 1: 30 Sec, 2: 1 Min, 3:3 Min, 4: 5Min	 
Language=0		;Set Language, 0: English, 1: Deutsch, 2: Fran?ais, 3: Espa?ol, 4: Italiano, 5: Russian 
Light_Freq=0		;Set Light Frequency, 0: 50Hz, 1: 60Hz	 
Date_Stamp=2		;Set DateStamp, 0: Off, 1: Date, 2: Date and Time	 
TV_Mode=0		;Set TVMode, 0: NTSC, 1: PAL 
Wifi_Auto_On=0		;Enable WiFi when camera is turned on, 0: Disable, 1: Enable 
Wifi_While_Recording=0	;Keeping WiFi connected when camera is recording, 0: Off, 1: On.Warning:keep wifi on while recording will consume more power and generate more heat. Please keep it off as defaulted. Set to on only when needed. 
Wifi_PW_Update=0	;Enable Wifi PassWord update, 0: Disable, 1: Enable 
PassWord= 1234567890	;set PassWord,the PassWord valid character is 0~9,A~Z,a~z, length >=8 and <=10;If the password changed, 
			 Please enter the password manually when connecting to wifi for the first time 
   
FIRMWARE: Mobius MAXI2.26
4. Replace the parameter after the equal sign (=) in the above config file (bolding is mine for emphasis only) with your desired change key number. [U]NOTE: To change the month/day/year display order sequence to match your local standard, keep the same display sequence shown in your config file. Do not change the display order sequence there. The "DateStyle=" parameter is used to change the display order.

5. Save the file back to the memory card.

6. Load the config file back into the camera with the same button press sequence used to extract it, and you're done! The config file will be deleted from your memory card automatically after it loads back into the camera. If you want to keep it on the card for re-use at a later time, set the attribute flag on the file to "read only" with your computer when you are finished editing it. This can be handy for making frequently used config changes in the field without a computer or smart phone App, or FPV/monitor setup to toggle the settings via the camera's OSD display method.

Alternate Manual User Configuration Setting Procedure Via Camera's Video Out OSD

The Maxi has an On Screen Display (OSD) mode that can display/change its configuration settings via the camera buttons. To use this you must have a TV, FPV system, or other monitor that can display an analog NTSC or PAL composite video signal. This method is a bit unwieldy navigating through the various menus to toggle settings, but there are times when this might be the only method available. You MUST have the Maxi USB Video Out cable to feed the OSD video to your display hardware. More details on this are in Isoprop's User Guide linked above.

Firmware

Firmware updates will contain bug fixes, new or improved features, or both. You are advised to always update the firmware if you want your Maxi to give you all it can. You are strongly advise to ALWAYS use the GUI tool for all camera firmware changes (see above). The GUI will determine if your camera firmware is out of date, download the latest firmware if you agree, and install it for you, taking all the potential for user error out of it.

The firmware development and refinement is a continuing process, and the most recent OFFICIALLY RELEASED versions will be kept attached to this post as downloadable zip files. Any problems found with the Released Firmware should be reported to me via PM.

The most up-to-date firmware is available for manual download at the bottom of this page.

Optional Manual Firmware Update Procedure

The following procedure is for manually updating your camera firmware. It is not necessary to do this if you can use the Windows GUI configuration tool (see above). It will determine if your camera firmware is out of date, download the latest firmware if you agree, and install it for you, taking all the potential for user error out of it. You are strongly advise to ALWAYS use the GUI tools for all camera firmware changes.

ALERT:
  • READ THE UPDATING INSTRUCTIONS FULLY BEFORE STARTING
  • DO NOT BEGIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND EACH STEP
  • DO NOT SKIP ANY STEPS
1. Download the firmware .zip archive file and un-zip it. Note: The different firmware will ALWAYS have the same name... FWTP2C.BRN, which is necessary for the camera to identify it as firmware to be installed. When you un-zip the attached firmware archive file, the firmware FILE will be in a named FOLDER so you can tell at a glance which firmware file is in the folder. When preparing to install the firmware as detailed below, make sure to copy the firmware FILE (FWTP2C.BRN) and NOT THE FOLDER itself to the memory card root directory. The camera will not find the firmware if it's in a folder. I keep old, obsolete firmware in case anyone needs a copy (PM me with your email address).

2. Copy the actual firmware file (FWTP2C.BRN) from it's identifying folder into the camera's flash card root directory
(the one that opens when the camera connects as a removable drive). This can be done with the card in the camera connected to the computer as a Removable Drive, or externally in a card reader. But do NOT rename the file. If you do, the camera will not install it!

3. Disconnect the camera and make sure it is off..

4. Insert the flash card containing the new firmware file into the camera (if not already in the camera).

5. Connect the camera to a reliable external USB power source (generic 2-wire power or PC USB data source). Note this is now a requirement in lieu of powering the camera with the internal battery to assure fail safe FW uploads. The camera will automatically boot and begin loading the FW as confirmed by blinking of the BLUE and RED (rear) LEDs. DO NOT PRESS ANY CAMERA BUTTONS WHILE THE INSTALLATION IS IN PROGRESS which takes about 40 sec. to complete.

6. When the FW installation is complete, the RED LED will turn off for a few seconds and the YELLOW LED will then turn on solid, indicating the FW file is has been automatically deleted from the memory card.

7. You're done! The camera will be in the normal start-up standby mode ready for use. All the settings will have been restored to camera defaults following FW installation, however, so you'll need extract the SyCfg2c.txt file to the camera memory card, edit it, and load it back into the camera to change any settings.

Firmware Download Site

This can be downloaded and installed manually or by using Isoprop's latest mSetup.exe Windows configuration utility (see above InfoPost #6 for link).
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Last edited by Tom Frank; May 22, 2018 at 11:00 AM.
Feb 06, 2018, 09:11 AM
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This is the original Mobius GUI which was created in co-operation with the developer and Tom.
The program supports all Mobius cameras (Mobius, Mobius2, Mobius Mini, Mobius Maxi) as well as the #16, which was also developed by the Mobius team.
Click HERE to download the GUI and/or User Guide.

Note: Also available from the above link, for manual installation, is the Mobius Maxi WiFi App for Android (.apk file), written by the Mobius Maxi developers.

The program is a native Windows application specifically written for the Windows operating system (XP and above) and does not require any 3rd party runtime system, for example Java or .NET, to be installed. The simple and extremely user-friendly program is fully plug-and-play and includes an integrated User Manual.

The software will also identify all unknown USB cameras and devices with a capacity of 400GB or less. So, if the GUI doesn't recognize your camera, you don't have a #16 or a camera from the Mobius family!

If you don't yet have the camera you may want to take a short peek at the integrated help, available by clicking the 'Help' button.

Remember you can resize the dialog by dragging the gripper at the bottom right corner if you prefer a smaller image. The dialog fonts will automatically be resized to fit.

The latest GUI software configuration tool together with the latest instruction manual (User Guide) may be downloaded by clicking on the link above or on one of the images below.

I strongly recommend you enable automatic program and firmware updates which will allow you to always benefit from the latest available tools. This is specially worthwhile during the first few weeks after the initial release.

Here are some screenshots of the GUI (Graphical User Interface)











... there's always an online user guide (manual) at your fingertips


... you can set your own parameters and download new versions


...and of course you can set your own colors for the program


... There's also a function where you can increase or decrease the playback speed of any .mov or .mp4 media files


...and lots of useful information too


To date, mSetup has been translated into 13 different languages:
Traditional Chinese, Czech, Dutch, French, German, Hindi, Hungarian, Japanese, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish and Turkish.
Many, many thanks to all translators for your hard work!
Here's an example:



mSetup is guaranteed 100% Clean, which means it does not contain any form of malware, including but not limited to: spyware, viruses, trojans and backdoors.

Click the image below for more information.
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Cables and more


USB Cable
The Mobius Maxi uses the same cable as the Mobius Mini. It is similar to the Mobius2 (M2), except for the external Microphone.



External Microphone (Pin #8)
nianeko1, from RC Groups, has created a DIY video showing how to use an external microphone with the Mobius Mini and Maxi. He uses a different pin numbering scheme to the one shown above, so beware!

Battery Plug
The Mobius Maxi uses a Micro JST SH 1.0mm 2-Pin plug for the battery. It is the same as the plug used for the Mobius Mini.

Lens Extension
The Mobius Maxi uses the same Lens Extension lead as the #16. The maximum length sould not exceed 20cm (8").
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Dashcam users are welcome to discuss the Mobius Maxi at DashCamTalk
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USA vendors of the maxi please
May 22, 2018, 03:25 PM
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Interesting, wonder what the intended market for this is? The Mini runs very nicely on external 5V power, which you can add to any model for a gram or so and minimal cost.
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Interesting, wonder what the intended market for this is? The Mini runs very nicely on external 5V power, which you can add to any model for a gram or so and minimal cost.
It's mainly targeted for car driving recording use since it runs cooler (for continuous loop recording) and has some better low light tuning (including faster lens). But you might like it for other uses if you prefer the Mini CMOS capability and just need longer battery life, a G-sensor for auto image flipping, a 2.7k video resolution option, and can tolerate the extra weight.
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Thanks Tom.
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May 24, 2018, 03:41 AM
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Actually glad to see them going back to the low profile type mounting base on this. Skipped the M2 just because of the tripod mount. Would you know if the Maxi will fit on the M1 mount base? They don't look much different, but can't tell if they would be interchangeable. M1 dimension are 61mmx35mmx18mm,,, Maxi is 71mmx35mmx18mm... is that extra 10mm just the lens protrusion?
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From memory, the M1 fits on the Maxi mount, but not the other way around. Maxi has more pointy corners and cannot fit into the mount for the M1 which has rounded corners.


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