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Dec 17, 2017, 10:37 AM
Beyond Hyperbole
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Dec 17, 2017, 11:22 AM
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Good list. One problem, though: the so-called "housekeeping items" perpetuate Section 5.5 (iii) obligating Members: "To prevent improper use or abuse of terms such as World, Continental, or International which properly relate to activities authorised and recognised by the IRSA."

This can be and has been interpreted as giving IRSA a mandate to police radio sailing anywhere and at any time they choose, and to arbitrarily define the terms "improper use or abuse" and "properly relate to activities authorized and recognized by the IRSA."

Cheers,

Earl
Dec 17, 2017, 01:22 PM
Beyond Hyperbole
I think the recent European Commission decision will end this aspect of IRSA's (and WS's) attempts to own and enforce the notion of Championship Regattas but it's probably a good idea to remove it from the IRSA Constitution to show the world that IRSA does not consider itself above the law.

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Dec 17, 2017, 01:32 PM
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It wasn't just Championship regattas -- it was used to justify rewriting *the content* of class rules (such as a limit on appendages and a method of measuring sail area) to fit the "requirements of an International class," said requirements of *content* being nowhere documented.

Cheers,

Earl
Dec 17, 2017, 02:50 PM
John Ball
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Originally Posted by Earl Boebert
It wasn't just Championship regattas -- it was used to justify rewriting *the content* of class rules (such as a limit on appendages and a method of measuring sail area) to fit the "requirements of an International class," said requirements of *content* being nowhere documented.

Cheers,

Earl
Hi Earl,

I think that the way to deal with this aspect is to use the upcoming General Assembly to vote on a motion to get the IRSA out of the class management business and leave it to the classes to form their own ICAs and if they desire, they may choose to approach the IRSA for recognition. If a class cannot form and run its own ICA it does not deserve recognition.

I think the IRSA needs to recognise a new level of 'Affiliated' class that has a more relaxed set of requirements for format of class rules, and for championship regatta regulations.

The General Assembly should be sometime in April, following the Constitutional Assembly to be held in January.

The outcome of the votes at the CA will have a big effect on the proceedings at the next GA. If the power transfers of the CA fail to pass, then the next General Assembly offers an opportunity for the Member Nations to exercise some control and decide on issues like the over-reaching Prohibited Events policy and the narrowly redefined Conflict of Interest regulation - to have them deleted and use the World Sailing wording - as WS has the power anyway.

But if those motions pass at the CA, then the member nations have lost control of the IRSA.


John
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Dec 17, 2017, 03:42 PM
Mike Hansow IOM USA 53
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Dec 17, 2017, 08:48 PM
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Fix the one typo first. A pound sign # instead of the number 3, on item number 5
Dec 18, 2017, 04:49 AM
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It would be interesting to find out what ibldrc thinks on the subject as he tells us he will be a candidate for the chairmans job next year.
Dec 18, 2017, 10:32 AM
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done - thanks for the sharp eyes! mine get bloodshot just thinking about this stuff
Jan 11, 2018, 04:55 PM
Paul M #06
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Does anyone understand this.


Received a copy of this in the mail yesterday. Having difficulty understanding what it means. Are they using a language other than English.
Paul M.
Jan 11, 2018, 05:16 PM
John Ball
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Basically, it says that if you say you are sorry and promise not to do it again, we will not go after you.

Do what? Attend an event such as a DF95 or RC Laser Global Challenge, or an RG65 event.

John
Jan 11, 2018, 09:52 PM
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Put another way it says that even if you have participated in a non-IRSA sanctioned prohibited event, then for the next two years they will still allow you to sail in an IRSA event. But you have to promise never to sail in a prohibited event in the future. Unreal!
Jan 12, 2018, 06:33 AM
Thomas Armstrong
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Originally Posted by Tom Corbett
Put another way it says that even if you have participated in a non-IRSA sanctioned prohibited event, then for the next two years they will still allow you to sail in an IRSA event. But you have to promise never to sail in a prohibited event in the future. Unreal!
Agree - IRSA is setting base rationale to be able to police skippers in the future. Stupid plan.
Jan 12, 2018, 09:13 AM
John Ball
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Tarmstro = PM sent to you

John
Jan 12, 2018, 02:29 PM
Beyond Hyperbole
When did our sport transmogrify into one that needs a lawyer to tell us who/when/where we can compete?

Alternately, when did we care so little about the management of our sport that we allowed the present IRSA Executive Officers to remain in their positions?


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