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Sep 06, 2019, 07:18 PM
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Water based sanding sealer. Put on a coat, sand, repeat. 2 or 3 coats, it fills in the pinholes, gives you a smooth surface.
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Sep 08, 2019, 02:10 PM
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I am done with my tribute P51 Mustang. I learned a few things and it came out ok, but a little rougher than I would like. I should have used a chemical to get the decals off instead of peeling them off, yes I should have listened. I could not find pin striping tape that thin so I hand painted the thin yellow lines, my next career is NOT going to be pin striping cars. This will be a daily flier and belly lander anyway. I really like that is the paint job on my 1st cousin's P51 on Iwo Jima in 1945.
Sep 08, 2019, 04:50 PM
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You've done a great job on what would be a tricky paint job, nice tribute to your family member.
Sep 08, 2019, 06:29 PM
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Nearly went that way with mine instead did this, wanted to keep her close as she flies so well!

The ĎLilí Timberís turn to get some mods and new clothes, didnít go too crazy on
the mods, added Carbon Cub struts and a couple of extra legs to the undercart.
Both of which are removable probably make very little difference function wise
but add to the look. I also moved the nose landing lights out under the port wing.
Was very tempted to leave her naked as she looks okay without all the stickers.


The new tail wheel set up is functional, did this to my Cub as well, I found after
repeated hard landings the tail wheel wire becomes loose. Could see it could
also damage the rudder hinge so moved the whole set up forward, lengthened
the leg and linked it back to the rudder horn. The black join is cotton thread
soaked in CA went a bit over with this wanted it strong.


As for looks went a bit rad on the paint, bush plane, bush paint found a nice
scheme on a Just Aircraft Super Stol, the look of the Timber is very close to
these so sheíll do! I decided not to paint under the wing and tail plane for
orientation reasons, have a few camoed jobs and you can loose them down
in the tree line, Iím hoping the light grey may help with this as well?


Use water based acrylic, have to do two coats to get a good coverage, yeah I
know added some weight which will detract from the flying performance.


The spots are rain drops, started to sprinkle when I took the picís.



Still have a little touching up to do then she gets aviated. Would love to get the
weight of there stock battery-less Timber, will weigh this to see what the paint
and mods have added, thank you?
Amazing paint and mods! Great work!
Sep 08, 2019, 08:52 PM
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Peter thanks for those kind words. I used Frog Tape delicate surface during masking, that tape did not peel off the silver paint. I also used a new marker they had in the craft store. The tip on this marker was awesome for fine lines. Unfortunately being a yellow marker over the silver color it was too hard to cover. Black would have covered well. The tip of this marker was so fine and flexible (see pic below). Markers are a little thinner than paint so that yellow just wouldn't cover that silver.

I knew my cousin's mom well, but never meet Lt Emil Schroeder. I did a lot of research on his combat time and I could not find his Mustang's name or tail and aircraft number for his P51, I would have liked to add that detail. His squadron (the 47th) was the first to deploy to Iwo Jima. I believe he flew 9 missions, 1 close air support mission for the Marines, 4 missions to attack the islands between Iwo and Japan and 4 VLR (Very Long Range) missions. The VLR missions used 165 gallon drop tanks on each bomb hard point. The VLR missions usually lasted about 8 hours, no autopilot, a tight fitting, unforgiving, high performance aircraft flying in loose formation with a dose of combat in the middle. It was not uncommon for the pilots to be lifted out after a mission due to cramping. He died on VLR mission #4, June 1st 1945 on a maximum effort day escorting B-29 bombers to Osaka Japan.

The marker information in the picture did not save. It is a Pentel Artist Brush Sign Pen - Ultra Fine point.
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Sep 20, 2019, 05:37 PM
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Indoor flying season has started! Took both my Stearmans today (along with a bunch of other stuff). Flew the C3R 7 flights today. She now has a total of 9 flights on her. Was really nice to fly it in completely calm conditions. I was able to get all the mechanical trims dialed in. She flys very nice. Not quite as slow and floaty compared to the stock PT-17, which is to be expected since it weighs a little more. It still flys very nice, though. Looks great in the air! I think it will get a lot of flight time!!
Sep 20, 2019, 07:03 PM
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Indoors ALL READY 2winger? Surely your weather isn't worse than ours already? The Stearmans sure look nice! Stay away from the walls!
Sep 20, 2019, 09:27 PM
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Indoor flying season has started! Took both my Stearmans today (along with a bunch of other stuff). Flew the C3R 7 flights today. She now has a total of 9 flights on her. Was really nice to fly it in completely calm conditions. I was able to get all the mechanical trims dialed in. She flys very nice. Not quite as slow and floaty compared to the stock PT-17, which is to be expected since it weighs a little more. It still flys very nice, though. Looks great in the air! I think it will get a lot of flight time!!
Nice seeing them together so you can see the difference between the two versions,
did the Stearman evolve from the C3R 7?
Sep 20, 2019, 10:59 PM
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Indoors ALL READY 2winger? Surely your weather isn't worse than ours already? The Stearmans sure look nice! Stay away from the walls!
Weather here is still nice! They opened up the soccer field to us much earlier this year - usually not until October or November! It's nice to fly with no wind! Yes - walls are a hazard to foam!!
Sep 20, 2019, 11:46 PM
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Nice seeing them together so you can see the difference between the two versions,
did the Stearman evolve from the C3R 7?
Stearman made several civilian planes prior to the famous PT-17/N2S-3. The first major production was the C3B. The C3B was used primarily for hauling mail, and some early passenger service. The C3R evolved out of the C3B. It was marketed to be a business man's aircraft or sport plane. The next plane was the Stearman Model 4. It was extremely successful and was used in mail service and passenger service. American Airlines had a fleet of Model 4's and Standard Oil had quite a few of them as well. The Model 6 was next, which had a small order with the Army Air Corp as the YPT-9. Several model 6's were sold as civilian sport aircraft as well. Then came the Model 75 - which is the PT-17 in Army Air Corp markings or the N2S-3 in Navy service. The Model 75 was the last in the Stearman line, as Stearman was bought by Boeing during it's production. The Model 75 line became the "Stearman Division of Boeing". After the war there was no longer a need for the trainer, so Stearman was absorbed into Boeing and no longer existed. Sorry for my long winded explanation! So the PT-17 is a descendant from the C3R!
Sep 21, 2019, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for the history 2Winger! Actually it looks like you have more room to fly indoors than I do outdoors!...And NO trees!
Sep 21, 2019, 03:39 PM
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Thanks for the history 2Winger! Actually it looks like you have more room to fly indoors than I do outdoors!...And NO trees!
Thanks! There is a lot of history to the Stearman Aircraft Company before the famous trainer came along!

Yeah - I'm spoiled to have such a great place to fly indoors! No trees and no wind!!
Sep 24, 2019, 08:02 PM
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Well....I was afraid this might happen!....being a static scale modeler since I was a kid,it naturally resurfaced when I got into RC. all my planes have altered paint jobs and other mods. Now i have no more to do to the planes I have so.... I picked up some model kits! And now we are back to the beginning! I started simple just to see if I still had enough dexterity to even deal with these little parts. This was todays windy with thunderstorms project!
Sep 24, 2019, 08:43 PM
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Well....I was afraid this might happen!....being a static scale modeler since I was a kid,it naturally resurfaced when I got into RC. all my planes have altered paint jobs and other mods. Now i have no more to do to the planes I have so.... I picked up some model kits! And now we are back to the beginning! I started simple just to see if I still had enough dexterity to even deal with these little parts. This was todays windy with thunderstorms project!
Looks really nice!! Keep up the nice work!

Same here - been building plastic scale and balsa stick & tissue after getting into RC. Looking forward to seeing your next project!
Sep 24, 2019, 08:53 PM
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Have a p-40 started ,and a p-51 in the wings. I think I'm going to get more biplanes though!


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