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Jan 31, 2017, 05:51 PM
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F3J & F5J in the Desert - Vegas 2017

This is the source for all future general information on these events.

Practice Day: Thur. April 20, 2017 (no access to the field or parking prior to April 20)

F3J in the Desert 2017
Fri/Sat April 21/22, 2017

F5J - Vegas
Sun/Mon April 23/24, 2017

Practice for F5J cannot begin until the completion of F3J.
It MAY be possible to have a practice location but it depends on the farm field availability when we are there and is NOT guaranteed.

Both events will be held at:
Valley Sod Farms
Sandy Valley, NV

This is a LARGE operation and the exact location on the farm will not be known until 2 weeks before the event. The exact location will be posted here as soon as we know. This is NOT a generally available flying location so please do not go out there and try to fly anywhere prior to the event.

I have arranged for a block of rooms to be available at Primm Valley Resorts. There is a hotel 10 minutes closer in Jean NV, but we stayed at both locations and the Primm location was a much better hotel with a lot of amenities for the same price. Following is disclosure information about the block. It is NOT yet ready for reservations, I am awaiting the official reservation code for you to use. DO NOT try to make reservations until I provide the code.

Note that like almost all Vegas hotels, they now quote a room rate that does not include a non-optional "resort fee" of $15/nite or taxes. The management is going to do their best to get all our rooms in one section of the hotel that all are ground floor rooms next to the rear parking areas. The only down side is that all of the hotels in the complex only have the pools and hot tubs open until dark...

Following is some information about the hotel and the block of rooms.

Primm Valley Resort & Casino

The cut-off date for reservations will be on Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 3:00 pm Pacific Standard/Daylight Time. It is understood that individual attendees will call to secure rooms individually through our room reservations department. At the time of the call, individuals will be required to guarantee their rooms by credit card by paying for the first nights’ room & tax. Group members should reference the GROUP NAME – and GROUP CODE - (which will be assigned at time the signed contract is returned to HOTEL) for reservations to be honored at the special group rate.

Weds, April 19, 2017 @ $30.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $48.75 Total
Thurs, April 20, 2017 @ $30.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $48.75 Total
Fri, April 21, 2017 @ $79.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $103.88 Total
Sat, April 22, 2017 @ $89.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $115.13 Total
Sun, April 23, 2017 @ $30.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $48.75 Total
Mon, April 24, 2017 @ $30.00 Net + Tax + Resort Fee = $48.75 Total

Room Rates are for Single/Double Occupancy.
Add $5.00 per extra person.
Room Rates Plus 12.5% room tax + Plus $15.00 Resort Fee per Night
Total cost per night is shown above.

Group Name: F3J In The Desert Group
Group Code: SSF3419
Arrival Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2017
Departure Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2017

ROOM RESERVATIONS – Toll Free 1-888-386-7867 or Direct 702-386-7867

Group members should call Room Reservations and reference the group name & group code shown above to make their reservations so that they will receive the special discounted group rate until the group cut-off date of Wednesday, April 5, 2017. All requests for reservations after that date will then be confirmed subject to room availability and rates at the time of the call.

The Resort Fee includes the following amenities:
1) Free Wi-Fi in the guest rooms
2) Free Local & Toll-Free Phone Calls
3) Free access to Fitness Center at Primm Valley Resort
a. Spa Services & Locker Room facilities not included
b. Hours of Operation are 6 am to 9 pm daily
4) Free Discount “Green Savings” Card to the Fashion Outlets Mall
5) Discount to Gift Shops (excluding liquor and tobacco)
6) Free Coupon Book (contents subject to change without notice)
7) Free Self-Parking at all 3 Primm properties and Free Valet Parking at Primm Valley and Buffalo Bill’s during operating hours
8) 24 hour transportation between all 3 Primm properties via shuttle bus.
9) Access to Resort Pools (Seasonal)

Individuals must provide a major credit card or cash deposit upon check-in to guarantee incidental charges.
CHECK IN: 3:00 pm Monday through Friday 4:00 pm Saturday and Sunday
CHECK OUT: 12:00 pm (Noon) 7 days a week
By law, it is required that there must be one (1) adult per room (person over age 21) and guest must present a valid I.D. (State Driver’s License, state ID, passport, etc) at the time of check-in. In addition, the following is Nevada State Law: ‘Public Register Required: Every person within the limits of an unincorporated town in Clark County, who maintains any hotel shall provide, keep and maintain a public register. Every person who rents or occupies a room in such hotel is to register his name and place of residence to the day of the year, month and week. (Ord.53 1, 1954).’
By signing this agreement, you acknowledge that you have been notified of this requirement and will be responsible for dissemination of this information to attendees and participants in a group event or meeting.

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Jan 31, 2017, 06:33 PM
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At what point will you know if camp fires are allowed? This is a prime factor in deciding whether to hotel or RV it.

Jan 31, 2017, 06:55 PM
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I'm not sure Tom. It will depend on conditions on the farm at the time. If the wet weather continues, it might be OK, but if it dries up the surrounding brush might be a real fire danger. It's not a campground, so I can't promise anything.
Feb 02, 2017, 01:43 PM
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The sod farm is surrounded by BLM land, might be leased BLM land, dont know. As of this point we will assume there will be no open fires. A small barbecue should be alright.

Keep the question coming and we will answer them as we can.

John Lovins
Feb 03, 2017, 12:55 AM
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So, Jim, is that a supposition or did you get the word from the owner/manager?

Thanks for all you do.

Feb 03, 2017, 01:03 PM
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Kool Jim,
Might better better to update the prices so everyone will be clear

Weds, April 19, 2017 $30.00 + $15/nt resort fee etc.

Do you know if and which carrier LTE is good on the field?
Feb 03, 2017, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FLY F3B
So, Jim, is that a supposition or did you get the word from the owner/manager?

Thanks for all you do.

That was from John - the primary contact for the farm.
As I indicated earlier - at this point we cannot say there will be open fires allowed. It will depend on conditions on the ground assessed by the manager just prior to the event. So if you need to make an assumption now - the assumption is no open fires.

Feb 03, 2017, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fnnwizard
Kool Jim,
Might better better to update the prices so everyone will be clear

Weds, April 19, 2017 $30.00 + $15/nt resort fee etc.

Do you know if and which carrier LTE is good on the field?
We have a person going out to assess the cell coverage - next week hopefully.

We had adequate cell coverage in the area that we surveyed in November on the Verizon network. We cannot confirm any other service at this time.

Good suggestion on the prices..
Feb 03, 2017, 04:46 PM
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I updated the first post with the actual costs with taxes and fees.

The codes will be available later tonite..
Feb 03, 2017, 08:59 PM
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Booking info has been added to the first post.
Feb 20, 2017, 12:28 PM
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We are now making arrangements to have a couple of golf carts at the event. One for pilots to use for schlepping equipment to the flight line and one for the organizers. This should make setup a bit easier on everyone.

We are also going to arrange some food trucks. I have a poll on how many of you would patronize the food truck daily.
If you are NOT coming please don't take the poll...

Feb 24, 2017, 02:03 PM
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Campers... I am working on facilities for you to take showers in town. How many of you would pay an access charge to have daily showers?
Mar 21, 2017, 10:42 AM
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This event doesn't need any bumps because it's full! But I'm compelled to comment on a couple things. Our organizers, among them Jim Monaco, John Lovins, Lenny Keer and others, are doing this thing right. All the way from blocks of rooms in beautiful Primm Valley (if you love the desert) to involving the local community.

Sandy Valley, NV is a small place off the beaten track (just down the road from Pahrump) but it is home to some good Nevadans. Jim and John have reached out to the community and it is great to see. All the way from involving civic organizations to touching base with the local airpark to contacting the post office lady so that people have a place to ship their models to even providing an article to the local periodical about our contest. That's how you do it and it takes a lot of behind the scenes effort. Many thanks to these guys!

Of course, those of you familiar with the F3J Tour will find the typical well run contest. But not everyone has flown a lot of F5J and I can tell you that Lenny has it down to a science; simple and fun! With the number of participants in both categories, each launch and thermal gaggle is likely to be it's own epic photo op! Then there's tactics. Do you prop and motor your 5J model to get up and out of dodge with 14-ish lanes? Or do you use the bare minimum to keep that stupid light Ultima at it's fighting weight of 42 ozs?

Speaking of light models. I grew up soaring and flying in the Reno/Tahoe/Minden area of Nevada and want to pay homage to the Nevada Dust Devil. Those cool, starry, high desert nights (what was that girls name again?........oops, digressing.....) combined with dramatic daytime heating generate some monsters. Perhaps you pick it up in your peripheral vision far away as it tracks inbound, perhaps a beautiful woman screams as the VTOL porta-potty lifts off. We all know a properly secured 3J/TD model can usually survive but these new light layup 5J models will fold faster than (add name of your pick for most notorious r/c soaring gambler) in the high stakes poker room at the Wynn Hotel which is a short drive from our flying venue. Not sure what the answer is just adding awareness.

Looking forward to this event! Need SPF 200 and a paint roller.

Last edited by ReidRoberts; Mar 23, 2017 at 09:07 AM.
Mar 21, 2017, 02:34 PM
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Thanks Reid for the kind words. As anyone who has organized one of these events knows its alot of details to make it happen, and usually its in a hostile environment that makes it even more difficult. Thats the way its been since ive had the privilege of assisting Mr Monaco. He has the amazing ability to make problems go away with a smile on his face. I dont have the patience or filter he does so I work in the back ground.
This is a little different as the venue is welcoming us with open arms. Truth is we contacted 1 or 2 folks locally and the word spread, its a VERY small town. They are excited and ready to welcome us, and we have the responsibility to be respectful of their flying site/town/rules. If it goes well and we are welcomed back this could be a prime site for future events, but that's up to every one attending. I will post when we get closer as to their requirements, but its really common sense.
To cover a couple of things that have come up, no fires outside of a small barbecue (no fire rings), no vehicles of any kind driven into the desert. Its BLM land and they don't need them on their back after were gone. Dont interfere with any farm operations. If you need something please see Jim or I and we will do what we can. Remember this is there first time and they really dont know what to expect. They are aviation guys (owner is/was a private pilot) and that was enough to get them to agree to the event. We are likely to have some spectators so please be friendly and patient with them. With your help this will be a great event.

Reid has stepped up to help us with some of the logistics, a huge thank you to him. This will be the first contest in 5-6 years I didn't have to tow a trailer......My wife is very happy I wont be driving at zero dark 30 racing to get home for work

Look forward to seeing everyone

John L.
Mar 22, 2017, 05:50 PM
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I have flown Hang Gliders and Sail Planes all over that area. Anything over 400ft off the ground I have hit lift at over 1000 to 2000 ft a Minute out there. It is all you can do to keep it up right.
Ya the Porta Potties fly. It is like Dorthy and Toto all over again.

I have been there done that. The new lite weight models will be a challenge in AMAZING conditions. IF they set up as such...

What a Place to have this

Best to you all...


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