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Mar 26, 2017, 06:14 AM
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How many people want 64 wotsits?
That's been added because it's been a recurring request over the past years.

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So now, when I’m setting up a model and want a sound to play on a certain event, I’ll have to refer to some kind of index, outside the radio (e.g. a piece of paper) just to find the cryptic filename that relates to the sound that I want. And that is assuming that I’ve installed the correct sound pack for the OpenTX version.
You can stay on 2.1 and not worry about any of this.

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and I do know that it would be possible to program it to handle long filenames (using index files or some other solution
Absolutely. Feel free to contribute your work towards it.
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Mar 26, 2017, 09:19 AM
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This is a question of usability.

If you actually asked OpenTX users – “Would you rather have 32 more wotsits, or meaningful file filenames?” – how many would say, “oh definitely the wotsits, I’m always running out of those”? Not many I reckon.

How many people want 64 wotsits? It seems that those on here aren’t sure what they are, or if they do actually need more.

So now, when I’m setting up a model and want a sound to play on a certain event, I’ll have to refer to some kind of index, outside the radio (e.g. a piece of paper) just to find the cryptic filename that relates to the sound that I want. And that is assuming that I’ve installed the correct sound pack for the OpenTX version. However you justify this, I think it’s not elegant and is a retrograde step.

It is a user/display thing – say I have a radio with a large/hires screen and go to select a file and get a long list of short, mostly meaningless names - what a waste. Even a Spektrum DX7 displays meaningful names for the sounds. OpenTX should be making the device easier to use, not harder. Focus on the user, not the underlying hardware.

I still think it a bad decision and I do know that it would be possible to program it to handle long filenames (using index files or some other solution – SD card space is cheap and plentiful). Let’s hope that when any additional functionality is added, the file names don’t jump down to 4 chars…
I'm by no stretch of the imagination a programmer, but I am an end user. I have been a Microsoft beta tester since the win95 days. I'm not shy about beta testing, and I'm well aware of the pitfalls. I am not the least bit shy about voicing my opinions either. Currently I am running 2.2 as a prerequisite to using the Craft & Theory telemetry interface for my Pixhawk aircraft. In each of my Pixhawks I am using the latest ArduCopter beta so I can test OLED functionality.

With that being said, I understand that to gain some desired functionality, some compromises may be necessary. However, I think it is prudent that said compromises should be filtered by an ease of use metric that is heavily weighted towards those users who tend to be over whelmed by the functionality and complexity inherent with Taranis and its firmwares.

To be blunt, there are things about my X9E that are less than intuitive and at times there are things that are downright cryptic, but in the final analysis I love this radio.

In defense of the dev team, I think they have undertaken a monumental task and are doing their level best to give the OpenTX community the software and firmware tools we need to fully explore the capabilities of Taranis and other supported radio equipment.
Last edited by Oldgazer; Mar 26, 2017 at 09:20 AM. Reason: correct typo
Mar 26, 2017, 10:22 PM
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...In defense of the dev team, I think they have undertaken a monumental task and are doing their level best to give the OpenTX community the software and firmware tools we need to fully explore the capabilities of Taranis and other supported radio equipment.
Well said!
Mar 26, 2017, 11:06 PM
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"Filter" variable


Kilrah, is there anywhere a description of the variables that you can set for different telemetry parameters?
Specifically a description of what "Filter" actually does for the VSpeed variable.

Thanks

John
Mar 27, 2017, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldgazer

I understand that to gain some desired functionality, some compromises may be necessary. However, I think it is prudent that said compromises should be filtered by an ease of use metric that is heavily weighted towards those users who tend to be over whelmed by the functionality and complexity inherent with Taranis and its firmwares.
In principle I agree. When there is a choice between doing something so that the output is cryptic (to the average user) and doing something so that the output is intuitive then preference should be given to the latter.

When choices are limited on the other hand, such as when hardware limitations need to be worked around, then the choice becomes less clear. In my view the decision then boils down to the long term relative merits of the two options. Just because something is not so intuitive and usage has to be learned does not make it unacceptable IMHO. I would personally prefer to learn (hopefully once but in my case not necessarily) the revised names for some sound files and have more "whatsits" permanently than miss the long term gains of the "whatsits" in order to save a few users from reading the firmware release notes.
Mar 27, 2017, 10:38 AM
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This is a question of usability.

(redacted the remainder of post)
Really not sure who Johnny Come Lately is (with 3 whole posts in 5 years), but would advise rather than jumping into the middle of a project that's had years of development by dozens of contributors and financial donations from scores of individuals and companies to consider what dispensing nubile rash opinions might do to an established absence of existing credibility.

Presumably Johnny come lately is an OpenTX user and has responsibly made a contribution to the project in some way other than suddenly dispensing opinions.

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Honors go to Rafal Tomczak (RadioClone), Thomas Husterer (th9x) and Erez Raviv (er9x and eePe)
Mar 27, 2017, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scott page
Really not sure who Johnny Come Lately is (with 3 whole posts in 5 years), but would advise rather than jumping into the middle of a project that's had years of development by dozens of contributors and financial donations from scores of individuals and companies to consider what dispensing nubile rash opinions might do to an established absence of existing credibility.

Presumably Johnny come lately is an OpenTX user and has responsibly made a contribution to the project in some way other than suddenly dispensing opinions.

http://www.open-tx.org/donations
Well said Scott. My name's on that donor list somewhere and I will make periodic donations as I continue to use this great program. I can't say enough good about the guys making OpenTX happen.
Mar 27, 2017, 01:13 PM
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Thanks Scott! There was an increase of negative posters lately and it really makes me sad. And it is not just in OpenTX threads.

Despite of that we are still chugging along, the 2.2 release should be ready soon.
Mar 27, 2017, 01:28 PM
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I am ashamed, my name is not up there. Paypal sent!!!!!! Thanks for the reminder Scott
Mar 27, 2017, 01:28 PM
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FYI - The latest donor list is here...

https://github.com/opentx/opentx/blo.../DONATIONS.txt
Mar 27, 2017, 02:29 PM
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Ah, thanks!

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Originally Posted by pressalltheknobs
Last edited by Miami Mike; Mar 27, 2017 at 02:56 PM.
Mar 27, 2017, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pressalltheknobs
FYI - The latest donor list is here...

https://github.com/opentx/opentx/blo.../DONATIONS.txt
Thanks - in my haste I just grabbed the list from companion under the Help menu.
Mar 27, 2017, 03:00 PM
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Nice!
Mar 27, 2017, 05:34 PM
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Heeeeerrrreeee’s Johnny…

Nothing should be inferred from the number of posts on a particular account. Judging credibility, or ability, the same way is also not sensible or accurate.

Thanks for quoting the first line of my message – that’s what my points are about “usability” – nothing else.

Scrutinizing development changes is a necessity to help ensure robust development. You don’t have to agree with my opinions, but there has to be a place for independent thought and rational argument, without resorting to name-calling.


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