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Aug 17, 2016, 02:35 AM
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Want to transplant Floureon H101 into carbon frame... but don't know how to start...


I am plan to go further with my H101 - I mean, I have 5 of them and one more on the way so it is time to experiment more

I would like to use H101 board with original 6mm motors and some carbon frame and want to order some parts for that. Is this combination possible? I mean, can 6mm motors lift any carbon frame due to weight of entire setup? And where to find 6mm carbon frame? Can't find anything affordable so need some recommendations.

If not, I would like to use 7mm motors - can H101 handle 7mm motors without any electornic modifications (just solder them to the board and it will work) and what carbon frame is good for that combination and can be lifted with 7mm motors?

Also, what parts I need for entire setup? I see here several threads about this topics and also around the net a lot of succesfull 7mm builds but I need some concrete help about concrete parts.

So, can anybody help me and tell me can I use:

- Some carbon frame for 6mm motors - does anything like that exists and where to find decent 6mm carbon frame that can handle H101 board and H101 stock motors?

- Some carbon frame for 7mm motors that can handle 6mm motors is a better solution because I can later use 7mm motors in the same setup. But can 6mm motors fly 7mm frame due to weight? Also, does anything like that exists and where to find?

- Does this 7mm mottors works with H101 board:
http://www.banggood.com/4X-Chaoli-CL...p-1070123.html

- Or this (what is "hollow cup" - lighter motors or..?):
http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-7m...r-p-51897.html

- Cant this frame be used with those 7mm motors from above:
http://www.banggood.com/90mm-Carbon-...3768073201602F

- That frame from link above is for 8.5mm motors - can I somehow stuck 7mm motor inside with additional rubberband or something (any usefull tips with that are welcome) and is weight OK for 7mm motors?

- And what battery I need to power all that (150mAh 30C, 250mAh 30C or 260mAh 30C will be fine or not? Because I have lot of them and don't want to order more because of occasional problematic importing of LiPos in my country... )?

- And what props you recommend for 7mm motors ?

- Also, at the end, will that build be too heavy for 7mm motors or not?

I am not planning to use 8.5mm motors for now - mostly because I can't see concrete information does H101 board support them without any additional electronic modifications... (someone says no need to mod anything on the board - just use 8.5mm motors with H101 and approrpirate frame while others said I need to add some capacitors or who-knows-what etc. ). So, to recap, I would like to start with plain transplat of original board and motors into new 6mm carbon frame and then gradually get 7mm frame and change motors to 7mm and possibly 8.5mm if possible...

So, any help in any direction is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Meanwhile, one more H101 is on the way (flash sale is almost over at Gearbest - so it is actually 2 of the on the way now )
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Aug 17, 2016, 02:56 AM
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You sure can use H101 on a variety of frames


These frames from Ian fits H101 and yes, it can be powered from 6mm to 8.5mm motors.

http://www.armattanproductions.com/p...oduct_grid/222

They are all super light weight and you are looking at a weight of 36.5gramms with FPV gear.

Here's my build with Ian's frame.

http://www.armattanproductions.com/p...t_details/2911

and here's my friend's flight on the same frame.

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...postcount=1023
Aug 17, 2016, 03:06 AM
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These frames from Ian fits H101 and yes, it can be powered from 6mm to 8.5mm motors.

http://www.armattanproductions.com/p...oduct_grid/222

They are all super light weight and you are looking at a weight of 36.5gramms with FPV gear.
36.5g? I tried my stock H101 with strapped keychain camera which was around 35g and it could not lift off from the ground. So for anything over 25-30g I need 7mm motors? Actually, how to know what motors I need to lift specific weight? I mean, I can buy CF for 6mm and then when I assemble everything it might get too heavy...
And, as I said, for now I would like to use 6mm carbon frame with stock H101 motors just to try how that works and flys. Any recommendations for that combination (check my first post for all questions I have about this build)?
Aug 17, 2016, 04:02 AM
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The 90mm Banggood frame is very well suited for use with 7mm motors, as the rubber grommets that come with it allow mounting them very neatly. Conversely, when using 8.5mm motors, the grommets are too small and the motors need to be inserted directly into the frame and then fixed using some other means (I use hot glue).

The H101 board works with 7mm or 8.5mm just fine and the combination of BG 90mm CF frame, H101 board and 8.5mm motors is by far my favorite (and most reliable) brushed quad config. I wrote up my build here: https://skmavs.wordpress.com/2016/08...le-parts-list/
Aug 17, 2016, 05:36 AM
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For start, I will definitely try some 6mm build first just to get feeling how this works and is it sturdy, flyable etc. And if there is no 7mm frame that can fit 6mm and 7mm motors (and I can't find it - or I am looking in a wrong direction ), I am thinking, based on toobsrc post above, to get this frame for 6mm tryout:
http://www.armattanproductions.com/p...t_details/1152

I see that mounting everything on it would be relatively easy and weight is amazingly low (less than 13g). My main questions are: how tight motor need to fit in the holes and can frame broke if I push them too much through holes (they need to stay in the holes by friction - which means I need to put them tightly - but frame is 1mm thick - and is it easily breakable)? Can frame broke in hard crash? And how to protect bottom part of the motor from damaging? I see that lot of builders uses some tape that shrinkwrap by heat and tighten wires and in the same time works as a "leg"... What is that material and how it is called? I can't find anything simmilar in any of my local tool stores nor I found anything like that in any tool-specialised online shop in my country... Any help about that?

And if I manage to get this with 6mm, I'll give it to my kids and try 7mm and possibly 8.5mm builds with FPV in the future... (I'll "reanimate" this thread then again )
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Aug 17, 2016, 05:56 AM
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The 90mm Banggood frame is very well suited for use with 7mm motors, as the rubber grommets that come with it allow mounting them very neatly.
Isn't it too heavy? I mean, frame is 6g - and when you add motors, props, board etc. this is OK for 7mm motors?
Aug 17, 2016, 06:27 AM
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Isn't it too heavy? I mean, frame is 6g - and when you add motors, props, board etc. this is OK for 7mm motors?
The stated 6g is for the full frame with the additional spacers and top plate. the bare frame is around 4g. I thought I took a photo of it on a scale, but apparently I did not :/
The Armattan ones seem a litte bit lighter still, so probably a better choice (They won't come to me with free shipping though ). Another option is re-using the toy quad frames, they are very lightweight and people used them successfully.
Aug 17, 2016, 06:39 AM
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The stated 6g is for the full frame with the additional spacers and top plate. the bare frame is around 4g. I thought I took a photo of it on a scale, but apparently I did not :/
The Armattan ones seem a litte bit lighter still, so probably a better choice (They won't come to me with free shipping though ). Another option is re-using the toy quad frames, they are very lightweight and people used them successfully.
What do you mean by "re-using the toy quad frames"? You mean putting board in different frame like with H101 into X9? That's my project when my X9 frame with X9 motors arrive (I already covered that in another thread).

Now, back to carbon frames - If I decide to go with 7mm motors, which one are recommended? I found two affordable in the first thread - any suggestions and tips about that? And what propellers to use with 7mm motors?
Aug 17, 2016, 11:44 AM
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For 7mm and 8.5mm motors, use Hubsan, Ladybird or CG022 propellers.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/husan...718175729.html
http://www.banggood.com/5-Sets-Walke...p-1051791.html
http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-CG02...-p-941259.html

And 8.5mm motors can also use Gemfan propellers for maximum thrust but your frame has to be at least 100mm for them to fit.

http://www.banggood.com/2-Pair-Gemfa...p-1042645.html
Aug 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
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7mm motors, which one are recommended?
id suggest skipping 6mm motors. get a frame that takes 7 and 8.5's. i got one off BG for $9. also saw some sweet ones linked here on RCG at the armattan site, LOS 77MM TO 120MM QUAD FRAMES...

I love spintechmotors.com, get them direct for 15-25$ in 6,7 and 8.5mm. i think the 8.5's are also on amzn.

BUT here's the kicker, they come in six-packs! so it makes them cheaper than most performance brushed motors.
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Aug 17, 2016, 09:35 PM
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Here's a 6mm build on a carbon frame, if you really want to go 6mm route.

I wasn't clear earlier, the 36.5g is 8.5mm build with FPV.
Aug 18, 2016, 02:11 AM
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36.5g for 8.5mm motors is obviously fine... but for 6mm it is too much. What about 7mm? What weight is acceptable for 7mm motors? Also, this is nice looking 6mm build you made! Please give us picture of bottom side of the quad - I really want to see how board is fixed...

But, generally, how can I calculate what weight is acceptable to what motors? Is it possible?


Now, I ordered 6mm frame from armattan. But I will also order 8.5mm frame from bangood too (the one I linked in first post is OK for 7mm and 8.5mm as I can get from replies). The only questions now is what 7mm motors I can use and what weight I can carry with them and what battery (check first post about battery details) I can use with 7mm build for decent flight time (4-5 minutes)?

Motors from spintechmotors.com are too expensive... Please comment motors I linked in first post or give some recommendations but around 10USD for 4-pack set (I understand that cheaper are usually less quality - but my goal is not to spend too much for entire build)
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Aug 18, 2016, 02:27 AM
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I've just built one 7mm with H101 as well and with FPV gear, it is weighing in at about 28g. That should give you some estimates for 7mm build.

Let me go back and snap some pic of the bottom.

This 6mm build will struggle to carry a 6g FPV payload. Tried one and it struggled.. Maybe those FX-798 AIO FPV at 4g or so may be possible. I do not have one to try.

The 8.5mm frame you link above (http://goo.gl/QymRBj) is heavier than the one from Armmattan. I've that as well. A 8.5mm frame from Arammattan is only 3+g.

If you want to fit a 7mm onto a 8.5mm frame using grommet, you are going to add unnecessary weight IMHO.
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Aug 18, 2016, 02:38 AM
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I've just built one 7mm with H101 as well and with FPV gear, it is weighing in at about 28g.
That's the same build as with 8.5mm motors but only with 7mm motors and 7mm frame? I mean, that's where the difference in weight is?

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The 7mm frame you link is heavier than the one from Armmattan. I've have that as well. If you want to fit a 7mm onto a 8.5mm frame using grommet, you are going to add unnecessary weight. A 8.5mm fram from Arammattan is only 3+g.
As skohlbr posted here, Banggood frame is around 4g without top part so it is approximatelly the same. Adding grommets will definitelly add weight - can someone measure what's the weight of grommets? And is there lighter way to fix 7mm motor in that 8.5mm frame (because I wish to have "two for one price" solution ) or maybe is better to buy two frames - one for each motor size?
Aug 18, 2016, 04:36 AM
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As skohlbr posted here, Banggood frame is around 4g without top part so it is approximatelly the same. Adding grommets will definitelly add weight - can someone measure what's the weight of grommets?
Took a photo yesterday, the frame should be between 3 and 4g, the scale is flipping between those two weights (don't have a better one). On the right you can see the accessoires (grommets, nylon screws etc.). I can try weighting grommets later today.

A good 7mm option might be the Chaolis from BG. I got 8 of those, but have not tried them yet: http://www.banggood.com/4X-Chaoli-CL...p-1070123.html


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