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Sep 29, 2016, 03:45 AM
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Maybe get an F-5 instead?
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Sep 29, 2016, 09:42 AM
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Edgar Schmued, P-51 designer, had a long running feud with Lee Atwood, while at NAA. Latter said former was " no real designer"(paraphrased). So, former left NAA and went to Northrop. His first design, there, was F-5! Which, IIRC, got reconfigured to F-20 concept.

Other "poor designs" by Schmued were/are Navion, T-28, F-86, etc.
Sep 29, 2016, 04:41 PM
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Mig or ...


I prefer a design like the mig 17. Rugged and powerful. Easily maintained. You could fling shovels full of gravel into the intake while the motor is running and nothing but air will go into the engine. Also the airframe is anodized inside and out. It will taxi easily through a hayfield at or near gross weight with no problem and exceed mach 1 on a shallow dive. You cant hardly break this airplane.
Sep 29, 2016, 06:39 PM
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This "P-51A" at Santa Maria. IIRC, it is at the 50th anniversary Mustang gathering . Is actually made from P-51D airframe. Engine and cowl are correct, but adapted to later/taller configuration airframe. Wing shows the larger "expanded LE" at wing root and landing gear. Radiator is P-51D, as well. I believe it is called "Polar Bear" at present.

Note: I just call them like I see them. It is a flying Mustang, if not a perfect example of a specific aircraft type. I'd fly it in a heartbeat, if I could!

Note too: The more correct waist line of the figure standing out front. Today, that original equipment , is sadly, no longer correct!
Nov 05, 2016, 11:59 PM
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A couple more Mustangs. I photographed at Sun 'n Fun 2012.
Nov 06, 2016, 01:09 PM
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Mustang trivia Q's:
Which of the above examples is sporting a "paddle blade" prop?
Nov 06, 2016, 01:39 PM
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Mustang trivia Q's:
Which of the above examples is sporting a "paddle blade" prop?
That would be the P-51D-20NA "Brat III".
Nov 06, 2016, 03:39 PM
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According to P-51D Maintenance and Repair manuals (All 1944-1956), the "paddle blade type" is the one with cuffs! P-51D in photo is sporting "square tipped" HS type blades. In all manuals, the description of both types appear on the same page.

P-51B/C in photo is wearing blades never seen on production Mustangs. They are, in all probability, HS in origin , but from a different aircraft entirely.
Nov 18, 2016, 08:56 PM
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Mustang trivia:

What designation was given to P-51D's built by NAA, in Dallas Texas?
It is a trick question.

What was the purpose of the added area, between spine and front of vertical fin, on P-51D? What is it's proper name? Not a trick question.
Nov 18, 2016, 11:48 PM
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Mustang trivia:

What designation was given to P-51D's built by NAA, in Dallas Texas?
It is a trick question.

What was the purpose of the added area, between spine and front of vertical fin, on P-51D? What is it's proper name? Not a trick question.
Dallas-built P-51Ds were called P-51Ds, but the suffix was -NT rather than -NA. I think.

The dorsal fillet was intended to restore some yaw stability lost when the P-51B was fitted with an 85gal fuselage tank and also helped when the rear deck was cut down for the bubble canopy on the D model.

The 85gal tank (when full) also moved the CG rearward and eventually P-51s so equipped were placarded to indicate the presence of a fuse tank, which was normally filled with only 65gal. The P-51 yaw instability problem was never completely cured until the introduction of the P-51H with its deeper, longer fuselage and taller fin.
Nov 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
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Boy, you came out of the gate swinging!... and nailed it.
Pretty much everyone thinks of the P-51K as THE Texas Mustang.
NAA Dallas built. 1,500 P-51K's and 1600 P-51D's from about August of 44', to end of the war.

BTW- 6, 502 P-51D's were built at NAA Inglewood in just a bit over a year, beginning Jan.'44. P-51H began production in Jan '45.


The "official" reason for adaptation of the Dorsal Fin Fillet (proper name of the part) given in NAA and USAAF literature was/is a very criptic " to strengthen the tail." Of course there is MUCH more to the story. Canopy change had nada to do with the addition. In fact, the tech order issued for DFF incorporation specifically included P-51B's and C's, as well as P-51D's, as an attempt to prevent HOIZONTAL tail falures occurring among ALL Merlin Mustangs, prior to June of '44. The DFF introduced in production with the second D production batch, P-51D-10-NA. The entire issue is a complex series of mods to rudder trim tab configuration, physical strengthening of horizontal stab skinning, reduction of stab incidence by 1.5 deg. LESS than previous +2 deg., and, eventually, metal skinning of elevators. The DFF is only evident external indicator. Despite considerable attention and effort, tail failures in combat, were never eliminated.
Nov 22, 2016, 08:38 PM
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I was doing some research today, trying to locate a P-51 that I used as the basis for a scale model I built back in the mid 70s. I stumbled on this website > http://mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/

Very interesting place with some good Mustang info. I didn't find the plane I was looking for; the tail number N1051S doesn't show up on any of the lists on that site so I'm still searching. I did find this plane > http://mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/sur...erial/44-73422 but the years and owner names don't match although the paint scheme is very close. The plane I modeled was based at Opa Locka airport in Miami Florida in 1975. The plane in that profile was said to have been sold and left the country in 69.

Tom
Last edited by Twodor; Nov 23, 2016 at 11:54 AM.
Nov 23, 2016, 01:16 PM
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Maybe...
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...erial/45-11371
Crashed/Destroyed - 95
NAA Type: P-51D-30NT

Serial #: 45-11371

Registry: N51KF
.. past:
N12067
N1051S
N751CB

Photos: http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...936923/5151/11

Some history details: http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51re...1-4511371.html
Nov 23, 2016, 01:45 PM
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Maybe...
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...erial/45-11371
Crashed/Destroyed - 95
NAA Type: P-51D-30NT

Serial #: 45-11371

Registry: N51KF
.. past:
N12067
N1051S
N751CB

Photos: http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...936923/5151/11

Some history details: http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51re...1-4511371.html

Thanks a lot. That was the plane and George Sullivan was the owner when I built the model. He was an Eastern Airline Captain and I got a ride in that Mustang after the model was complete.

Interesting side line was that the day I took the finished model out to take photos of it with the real one I got to meet Richard Bach. He was friends with Sullivan and was there flying an orange T-33. He made a joke when my model dripped some fuel from the cowling. He said the model was very realistic because it dripped oil just like the real plane.

Thanks for finding that info perttime. It's sad that the plane was destroyed.

Tom
Last edited by Twodor; Nov 23, 2016 at 01:59 PM.
Nov 24, 2016, 10:30 AM
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Great model project! Neat story! AND a great view of the flat spot on the rudder( vertical segment above the tail light). There is also a flat spot on the front of the spinner.


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