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May 29, 2016, 08:16 AM
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Never forget : German chancellor and French president celebrate WWI


Today Angela Merkel and Francois holland celebrated the 100th anniversary of the deadlier battle of WWI which made more than 300000 casualties.
At the time extreme right is raising back all over Europe we need to never forget the horror we were into not so long ago.

http://www.la-croix.com/France/L-esp...-29-1200763632
May 29, 2016, 09:22 AM
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There is nothing to celebrate about WWI, all countries involved cheerfully went into it for similar reasons. Sadly the suffering and dying was for nothing as seen a generation latter!
May 29, 2016, 10:05 AM
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It is not the "extreme right" you need to worry about now. It is the Muslim hordes the extreme left is inviting into Europe.

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Today Angela Merkel and Francois holland celebrated the 100th anniversary of the deadlier battle of WWI which made more than 300000 casualties.
At the time extreme right is raising back all over Europe we need to never forget the horror we were into not so long ago.

http://www.la-croix.com/France/L-esp...-29-1200763632
May 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
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Today Angela Merkel and Francois holland celebrated the 100th anniversary of the deadlier battle of WWI which made more than 300000 casualties.
At the time extreme right is raising back all over Europe we need to never forget the horror we were into not so long ago.

http://www.la-croix.com/France/L-esp...-29-1200763632
ok.. So how the 'extreme right' is linked to ww1 exactly ?
May 29, 2016, 10:49 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_leagues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix-de-Feu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C...s_de_La_Rocque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Social_Party
The aftermath of WWI was a fertile situation for such groups(far right as well as far left)when the old order of things failed!
May 29, 2016, 11:10 AM
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There is nothing to celebrate about WWI, all countries involved cheerfully went into it for similar reasons. Sadly the suffering and dying was for nothing as seen a generation latter!
I might have wrongly picked my word, I didn't mean celebrate as a for something happy. Celebrate was for a ceremony in memory of, in order remind the new generations what happened. Nowadays France and Germany make common ceremony's in memory of the dreads of this conflict.
May 29, 2016, 11:15 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_leagues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix-de-Feu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C...s_de_La_Rocque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Social_Party
The aftermath of WWI was a fertile situation for such groups(far right as well as far left)when the old order of things failed!
Indeed, and arguably there was only one WW, WW2 being the logical and inevitable consequence of WWI. The extreme groups are the ones that started WW2.
May 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
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Arguably, the pacifists of post WW1 are those responsible for WW2 taking place...

Not willing to fight and to intervene when it was time to, (and prevent things to get worse ) allowed the horrors of ww2.
May 29, 2016, 02:34 PM
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Yes but it was good for UBS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS#Ac...n_World_War_II
Activities in World War II
Gold ingot with the UBS logo.

The activities of the Union Bank of Switzerland during World War II were not publicly known until decades after the war, when it was demonstrated that UBS likely took active roles in trading stolen gold, securities, and other assets during World War II.[51][52][53]

The issue of "unclaimed property" of Holocaust victims became a major issue for UBS in the mid-1990s, and a series of revelations in 1997 brought the issue to the forefront of national attention in 1996 and 1997.[54]

UBS confirmed that a large number of accounts had gone unclaimed as a result of the bank's policy of requiring death certificates from family members to claim the contents of the account.[55][56] UBS's handling of these revelations were largely criticized and the bank received significant negative attention in the U.S.[57][58]

UBS came under significant pressure, particularly from American politicians, to compensate Holocaust survivors who were making claims against the bank.[59]

In January 1997, Christoph Meili, a night watchman at the Union Bank of Switzerland, found employees shredding archives compiled by a subsidiary that had extensive dealings with Nazi Germany. The shredding was in direct violation of a then-recent Swiss law adopted in December 1996 protecting such material. UBS acknowledged that it had "made a deplorable mistake", but an internal historian maintained that the destroyed archives were unrelated to the Holocaust.[60] Criminal proceedings then began against the archivist for possible violation of a recent Federal Document Destruction decree and against Meili for possible violation of bank secrecy, which is a criminal offense in Switzerland. Both proceedings were discontinued by the District Attorney in September 1997.[61]

Meili was suspended from his job at the security company that served UBS, following a criminal investigation.[62] Meili and his family left Switzerland for the United States where they were granted political asylum.[63][64]

In 1997, the World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks was launched to retrieve deposits made by victims of Nazi persecution during and prior to World War II, ultimately resulting in a settlement of US$1.25 billion in August 1998.[51][65][66]
May 29, 2016, 02:52 PM
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May 29, 2016, 03:10 PM
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Yes but it was good for UBS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS#Ac...n_World_War_II
Activities in World War II
Gold ingot with the UBS logo.

The activities of the Union Bank of Switzerland during World War II were not publicly known until decades after the war, when it was demonstrated that UBS likely took active roles in trading stolen gold, securities, and other assets during World War II.[51][52][53]

The issue of "unclaimed property" of Holocaust victims became a major issue for UBS in the mid-1990s, and a series of revelations in 1997 brought the issue to the forefront of national attention in 1996 and 1997.[54]

UBS confirmed that a large number of accounts had gone unclaimed as a result of the bank's policy of requiring death certificates from family members to claim the contents of the account.[55][56] UBS's handling of these revelations were largely criticized and the bank received significant negative attention in the U.S.[57][58]

UBS came under significant pressure, particularly from American politicians, to compensate Holocaust survivors who were making claims against the bank.[59]

In January 1997, Christoph Meili, a night watchman at the Union Bank of Switzerland, found employees shredding archives compiled by a subsidiary that had extensive dealings with Nazi Germany. The shredding was in direct violation of a then-recent Swiss law adopted in December 1996 protecting such material. UBS acknowledged that it had "made a deplorable mistake", but an internal historian maintained that the destroyed archives were unrelated to the Holocaust.[60] Criminal proceedings then began against the archivist for possible violation of a recent Federal Document Destruction decree and against Meili for possible violation of bank secrecy, which is a criminal offense in Switzerland. Both proceedings were discontinued by the District Attorney in September 1997.[61]

Meili was suspended from his job at the security company that served UBS, following a criminal investigation.[62] Meili and his family left Switzerland for the United States where they were granted political asylum.[63][64]

In 1997, the World Jewish Congress lawsuit against Swiss banks was launched to retrieve deposits made by victims of Nazi persecution during and prior to World War II, ultimately resulting in a settlement of US$1.25 billion in August 1998.[51][65][66]
What's your point ? What does what one bank do during and after ww2 have anything to do with ww1 and what allowd ww2 TO HAPPEN ? Are you claiming that Switzerland is at the cause of ww1 or ww2 ?

Should we talk about all the Jews refugees that you refused to take in as well ? The American citizens you interned in camps ? Or the us citizens that made huge profits with the nazis ?

Does it have anything to do with the topic or are you just here trying to be a northern mythical beast ?

Oh no need to answer, it's a rhetorical question
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