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Jan 17, 2016, 02:43 PM
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Build Log

Flyduino KISS FPV Racing Quad


Though I'm not an FPV race guy but rather hovering instead of fast forward flying, I decided to build one together with a friend.
We took all parts for the basic setup from the Flyduino Shop as it offers almost everything needed.

KISS FC RCG Thread
KISS FC Manual
KISS FC Chrome APP
KISS FC Update Instructions

KISS ESC24A RCG Thread
KISS ESC24A Manual

KISS PDB for 24A Manual




We already had a few peripheral parts like the FPV cam and transmitter, lipos and RC receiver.
For a start we used an FrSky 8channel PPM receiver and a Taranis.
The X4RSB 3 receiver offers both S-Bus and S-Port (for telemetry) which we will use later.


The build consists of the following parts:

- Warthox MiniCP120 with carbon fibre arms

http://flyduino.net/Warthox-MiniCP12...ation-Material


- KISS FC 32bit Flight Controller

http://flyduino.net/KISS-FC-32bit-Flight-Controller_1


- KISS ESC 24A racing edition 32bit brushless control

http://flyduino.net/KISS-ESC-2-5S-24...s-motor-ctrl_1


- Flyduino X2208v2 2000kV brushless outrunner Motor CW and CCW versions

http://flyduino.net/Multikopter-Brus...Multicopter_32

http://flyduino.net/Multikopter-Brus...Multicopter_34



HQ 6x4.5 Bullnose Props CW/CCW

http://flyduino.net/HQProp-6x45-1524...4-pcs-with-cfk

http://flyduino.net/HQProp-6x45-1524...ass-reinforced


- XT60 lipo male plug&wire

http://flyduino.net/XT60-Male-assembled-with-wire


- Cable set for ESCs

http://flyduino.net/Cable-sets-for-ESC


Additionally we needed a few other parts like standoffs, screws & nuts, heat shrink, zip ties and double sided tape.
We also milled an extra top and bottom plate from 1mm CF to protect the precious and as a mounting plate for the onboard Mobius camera.

The lower plate makes a nice and tough battery compartment which easily survives harder landings without exposing the lipo to possible damage.
DXF files for the DIY plates in the attachments


FYI: Flyduino now also offers 36x36mm carbon plates that perfectly fit on the KISS FC as a cover on DIY frames to protect your precious. Also usable as a lipo compartment on the bottom of the frame.

Made from 0.8mm CF, only 1.8gr:
http://flyduino.net/36x36mm-Coverplate-full-carbon

I'm also building another Quad where I use the power distribution/carrier board for the ESC24A.
http://flyduino.net/Flyduino-Kiss-Ca...-24A-Version_1
I must say that I never did a build that fast since the PDB lets you set up the basic parts in no time. Unfortunately it's a tad too big for the Warthox frame but we wanted to use a "classic" frame with round center plates instead of the typical streched FPV race frames.

Weight is ~365gr without Mobius and Lipo.
We use Turnigy Nano-Tech 4s 1800mAh 65-130C Lipos (~230gr), 1400mAh Multistar (race edition) come at ~155gr.
Mobius incl. holder and SD card is ~40gr
Height is 70mm from bottom to top plate. 234mm rotor-to-rotor (~250mm tip-to-tip) makes it a 250class racer.


The Warthox frame comes with all needed parts for a clean build
Except for the DIY parts we added, the package contains everything needed to mount the FC, motors etc.
It also comes with a built-in power distribution.





We first mounted the motors on the CF arms




Next step was to wire the built-in power distribution of the Warthox frame




Then we started to wire the FC




Connecting the FrSky receiver




Building the battery compartment and extra top plate




Soldering the KISS 24A ESCs

We put the ESCs in clear heat shrink after we checked the rotation direction of the motors.
The ESCs were then mounted on soft double sided tape and the wires were fixated with 3mm zip ties.


Detail - a Boot Switch for better Access




Under the Hood - the filter for the video signal



Putting everything together











More images in the attachments below.

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Last edited by kinderkram; Mar 05, 2016 at 06:57 PM.
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Jan 17, 2016, 02:44 PM
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Used Video Equipment for this Build

FPV Mini Cam


32channel Video transmitter


Video Signal Filter


Mobius Cam for onboard recording


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Jan 17, 2016, 02:54 PM
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Maiden Flight of the newborn KISS Racer

Flyduino KISS Race Quad (1 min 51 sec)


It was a cold and windy day and it started to rain again&again.
So we had to wait for dry periods in between rain and hail storms and change flying spots - not an ideal situation for a maiden flight.

All flights with stock settings (firmware version 1.01)

Comment by my friend: "This thing is completely overpowered!"

Disclaimer: No curious cats were harmed in this video!

After some more tuning we'll upload more videos if the weather is better.

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Better Weather - Next Try

Flyduino KISS Race Quad - second Flight (2 min 9 sec)


This time the Mobius played tricks on us so there's only a short offboard video of today's test flight.

We used firmware version 1.02b5, PIDs from the WT MiniCP presets and OneShot 42

I must say I never had such a locked in quad that followed the throttle stick like a puppet-on-a-string!
The motors also run smooth and ESCs stay cool.

From the thrust tests we know the motor/prop combo can draw a whopping 35Amps at ~1.2kg thrust that makes a Thrust/AUW relation of 8:1

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Jan 17, 2016, 04:01 PM
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KISS FC TUTORIAL by Chad Nowak aka FinalGlideAUS

KISS FC Tutorial (16 min 17 sec)




Flyduino X2208 2000kV Motor Thrust Test

X2208 2000KV race edition thrust test (6 min 4 sec)



Comparison of Flyduino X2208 2000kV vs. Cobra 2208 2000kV

Flyduino X2208 2000KV race edition vs. Cobra 2208 2000KV (1 min 26 sec)
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Jan 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
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Excellent build and build log, Kinderkram! Did you not want to put an AutoQuad controller on it?

Seriously, will AutoQuad eventually support telemetry with the 24A KISS ESC? Live ESC telemetry would probably be a useful feature on a large AQ multi-rotor as well.
Jan 18, 2016, 11:02 AM
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Excellent build and build log, Kinderkram! Did you not want to put an AutoQuad controller on it?

Seriously, will AutoQuad eventually support telemetry with the 24A KISS ESC? Live ESC telemetry would probably be a useful feature on a large AQ multi-rotor as well.
Thx, Brainstorm!
Nope - no AQ this time.

In dunno how much of an effort itīll be to make AQ and KISS 24A work together - but both support the One Wire protocol.
The ESC for telemetry and the AQ for settings transfer.
Will ask Felix about it...
Jan 18, 2016, 03:16 PM
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Out of interest what is the weight of this? without battery?
Jan 20, 2016, 12:32 PM
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Out of interest what is the weight of this? without battery?
Sorry for the late reply.
Weight is 365gr. without Lipo and the Mobius Cam.
Jan 21, 2016, 06:22 PM
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I really like it and would buy the top and bottom plates from you if possible, did you ever consider mounting the battery/cam/vtx in the top section and the FC in the bottom instead? Possible?
Jan 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
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Sorry but I donīt sell the plates but offered the files for DIY.
But you could also buy a second set of center plates and only use one: http://flyduino.net/Warthox-MiniCP-V1-CP-Set_1



We wanted to keep the build as compact as possible with the weight around the center.
In principal it should also work like you described.
Jan 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
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Nice build
Jan 24, 2016, 02:32 PM
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Nice build
Thx! And itīs still evolving.
Next step will be installing the MinimOSD for the goggles.
We decided to keep the PPM receiver and use the KISS telemetry instead of the radio. Maybe weīll add the X4RSB and S-Port telemetry later...
Itīs nice to see the whole data instead of just the battery warning.
Jan 26, 2016, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kinderkram
Thx! And itīs still evolving.
Next step will be installing the MinimOSD for the goggles.
We decided to keep the PPM receiver and use the KISS telemetry instead of the radio. Maybe weīll add the X4RSB and S-Port telemetry later...
Itīs nice to see the whole data instead of just the battery warning.
Cool build! Did not know the CP is so versatile
Last edited by JulianGoesPro; Jan 26, 2016 at 02:30 PM.
Jan 26, 2016, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JulianGoesPro
Cool build! Did not the CP is so versatile
Hi Julian, thanks!
Yes, the CPs make a good base. Itīs also easy to repair (one fine day ) and the components are easily accessible for changes.
Jan 30, 2016, 06:36 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I'm going to go for the full kiss set up in a 5" alien. I was looking into the kiss pdb and it looks cool but not sure how it would fit in the alien which btw also has its own pdb. Maybe I'll get both and see which works better.


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