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Dec 27, 2015, 07:14 PM
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Inevitability of Basic Income


its the only way forward the rest of the world is slowly coming around

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...227-story.html
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"The one thing that everyone tells us is that they're able to sleep much better," Bohmeyer said. "But, ostensibly, not a lot changes: The students keep studying, the workers keep working and the pensioners are still pensioners. But there is a big change that takes place in their minds. People feel liberated and they feel healthier."
im surprised the right doesnt like it more since it would allow removing all other welfare, Social Security AND minimum wage
Dec 27, 2015, 07:24 PM
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Keep dreaming. This would be abhorrent to those on the left as well - no control.
Dec 27, 2015, 07:28 PM
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Doesn't it remove all incentive to do anything more than the absolute minimum?
Dec 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
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Didn't the USSR try something similar?
Dec 27, 2015, 07:43 PM
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Doesn't it remove all incentive to do anything more than the absolute minimum?
sure if you didnt want more then basics if your ok living in a one room apartment eating raman all the time

if you want more you can still go work

and business wouldnt get to complain about paying minimum wage
it would be a truly free market

every last experiment with UBI shows 2 things happen people go back to school and employment rates GO UP
so the data actually says that it would increase the incentive to work
Dec 27, 2015, 07:44 PM
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sure if you didnt want more then basics if your ok living in a one room apartment eating raman all the time

if you want more you can still go work

and business wouldnt get to complain about paying minimum wage
it would be a truly free market
Of course, Comrade. But who pays for it?
Dec 27, 2015, 07:46 PM
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Of course, Comrade. But who pays for it?
NIT + removal of Social Security and ALL other welfare and minimum wage laws

other ideas then a NIT are small VAT and leasing of spectrum rights by the FCC (airwaves are owned the the people of the US in the first place)
and taxes on use of natural resource rights like Alaska does
Dec 27, 2015, 07:47 PM
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it would be a truly free market
Your kidding, right?
Dec 27, 2015, 07:48 PM
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Doesn't it remove all incentive to do anything more than the absolute minimum?
No. Why "no" is totally obvious:

You would still be in your cave.
Dec 27, 2015, 07:51 PM
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Your kidding, right?
how would it not be?
business would be free to set prices and wages as they see fit

and workers would be free to leave said jobs if they felt they where not being paid what they are wroth
Dec 27, 2015, 08:00 PM
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You should read up on the early history of the Jamestown Colony.

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No. Why "no" is totally obvious:

You would still be in your cave.
Dec 27, 2015, 08:07 PM
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think how far 1,000/m would really go in most places
rent/food/maybe a bill or 2

seems like there is still a lot of incentive to work
but it would give people something to fall back on and not worry about just trying to survive and have the time to make some thing of them selves

avg rent around here is ~350 bucks a month + utilities so lets say 400/m say food is 50 bucks a week
so up to 600 bucks 400 is not a lot extra a month and cost of living here is low in other areas there may not be any thing left after just rent
Dec 27, 2015, 08:13 PM
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You should read up on the early history of the Jamestown Colony.
I had heard about the 'native' people (from Tibet/Mongolia) helping but did not know or care where it was.

Your typically anti-British comment does not alter the principle I stated. No one can expect to succeed 100% of the time. I have also not noticed any German, Polish or Slovak empires getting very large.

How many times to you people need telling?

DO try and "get over" YOUR war of independence. We have had many of them, lost every single one, and it doesn't bother us at all.
Dec 27, 2015, 08:20 PM
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I had heard about the 'native' people (from Tibet/Mongolia) helping but did not know or care where it was.

Your typically anti-British comment does not alter the principle I stated. No one can expect to succeed 100% of the time. I have also not noticed any German, Polish or Slovak empires getting very large.

How many times to you people need telling?

DO try and "get over" YOUR war of independence. We have had many of them, lost every single one, and it doesn't bother us at all.
its mostly people in the south and bible belt that are like that US mid-Atlantic folks(im from Maryland originally) tend to side with you guys now

and hey you ALMOST got us back in 1812
Dec 27, 2015, 08:27 PM
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DO try and "get over" YOUR war of independence. We have had many of them, lost every single one, and it doesn't bother us at all.
Tag line of 2015, "never got over it, and never got over it".


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