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Dec 15, 2015, 06:40 PM
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can someone answer this? after reading in here and several other rc forums, does the registration site require the registrant to use his /or her credit card for payment?

if so, they can bill me or i`ll send them postal m.o. for $5. i will not pay with a c.c. and give them that information. there getting hacked all the time. sound trivial but geewiz!
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Dec 15, 2015, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lx2008
can someone answer this? after reading in here and several other rc forums, does the registration site require the registrant to use his /or her credit card for payment?

if so, they can bill me or i`ll send them postal m.o. for $5. i will not pay with a c.c. and give them that information. there getting hacked all the time. sound trivial but geewiz!
credit card required, that's how they verify your ID.
Dec 15, 2015, 08:18 PM
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That's the penalty for piloting a drone/airplane/kite without being registered.

What are the penalties for violating the FAA's rules ONCE REGISTERED?
Sorry, misunderstood the question. I would assume the same as violating them before this registration stuff. A charge of reckless endangerment?
Dec 15, 2015, 10:55 PM
scale and slowfly specialist
What if your plane weighs less than .55 lbs (249.4 grams)? Does it not require a pilot to register? If so, I forsee the hobby going almost exclusively indoors.
Dec 15, 2015, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Morgenroth
What if your plane weighs less than .55 lbs (249.4 grams)? Does it not require a pilot to register? If so, I forsee the hobby going almost exclusively indoors.
Haha it's actually pretty scary if you read the real 200+ pages...

I saw "Paper Airplanes" and "Free Flight" in there and also some stuff about what your asking that basically says it's up to them to deem whenever they want an aircraft is in violation even when it doesn't meet any of the minimum standards.

Look at what they are asking for... they make it seem simple and easy... Why is it 200+ Pages long then??
Dec 15, 2015, 11:45 PM
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Instead of paying $5 fit registering, I'll pay $50 to a legal defense fund to hire a lawyer to sue the federal government. I think rcgroups should administer such a fund and take charge of hiring the lawyer.

Please, rcgroups, just tell me where to send the check.
Dec 15, 2015, 11:48 PM
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what about just having your AMA # or phone # on your drone that way if it does crash and cause damage to someone's property they can find you. Same info as registering.
That way someone flying a non registered drone irresponsibly in my neighborhood I wont get blamed for it We all know if someone calls the police for someone flying a drone over there back yard and you have the only registered drone in the area what do you think is going to happen
Dec 16, 2015, 12:16 AM
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first of all the blame needs to be placed where it belongs, a hysterical media and an over-reaching federal agency, not some machine with four propellers.

I really want to know how the NTSB is now going to avoid exercising their duty to investigate crashes of federally registered AIRCRAFT as mandated by the FARs. Additionally those UAVs getting shot out of the sky now unquestionably invoke a felony charge as stated in FAA FAR 14:

As per FAA CFR 14 stated above: Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air. Additionally: 1405. Special Aircraft Jurisdiction of the United States
The special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States is a jurisdictional requirement for an aircraft piracy offense proscribed by 49 U.S.C. 46502(a), as well as for interference with a flight crew member or attendant, in violation of 49 U.S.C. 46504, the "enclave offenses" criminalized in that jurisdiction by 49 U.S.C. 46506, and the destruction of aircraft and aircraft facilities offenses of 18 U.S.C. 32(a). An aircraft is in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States only while the aircraft is "in flight."
Included in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, while "in flight," are the following:
(a) any civil aircraft of the United States;
(b) any aircraft of the United States armed forces;
(c) any other aircraft in the United States; ...

I suppose they will just choose to ignore that which is inconvenient for them to enforce, otherwise they have opened a can of worms they couldn't imagine.
Dec 16, 2015, 12:42 AM
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If the FAA is so "appreciative" of the ongoing reputation and legacy of safety promoted by AMA, why don't they just grant AMA members a waiver to the FAA registration process? Sure would save the taxpayers a lot of money, the agency a lot of effort, and would direct the registration process towards all of the drone owners that the FAA feels are not sufficiently learned in the culture of safety that FAA thinks is present in the professional pilot population, and are apparently believed to be the real threat to safety in American airspace.

Has anyone seen detailed information on the 250 plus incidents that FAA has sited involving drones coming within 500 feet of full scale aircraft since September 2014 to the present?

What is the expected effort and cost to local law enforcement in assisting FAA in enforcing the registration of drones?

How will FAA protect the personal and financial information or registrants? Seems like other agencies like OPM haven't been that successful in protecting private information... then again, if they had more money and staff they might have done a better job.
I and many others, attempted to convince the FAA of exactly what you suggested, during the official comment period. It would have been a win-win as you rightly say. I even suggested that new owners be encouraged to join the AMA in lieu of registration, thereby providing a steady stream of new membership and accomplishing the stated purpose of education and safety. Guess they would have none of that nonsense. I am convinced that they simply want to show the AMA just who rules the roost here.
Dec 16, 2015, 01:28 AM
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Hello, Octopilot! Clever idea about pushing new aircraft owners towards the AMA. All kinds of opportunities there for AMA to introduce newbies to the hobby.

Having worked for the feds in DC for 25 years; the more I read about these new regulations the more obvious it becomes that they weren't well thought out or vetted. Given the current tasks and duties piled onto local and state law enforcement agencies, what's their understanding and reaction to their new roles for enforcement? Hope they're gearing up for a lot more evening and weekend overtime shifts.

Typical bureaucratic characteristics in play by the FAA: check the boxes for public interaction; engage various and powerless "stake holders" or "partner organizations" in dialogue; issue gobbledy-gook findings and final reports; and then do whatever you feel like doing. The unelected bureaucrats know they're untouchable.

AMA played it's politically safe, dutiful, cowed role. After all, it could have been much worse; they could have taken our bandwidth and sold them to the cell phone companies!

I weighed my HZ & PZ foamies: the little old Mossie weighs 70+ grams, depending on the battery I use. It now must be registered with the federal government. These people are idiots!
Dec 16, 2015, 02:14 AM
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There is one inescapable fact that these new FAA registration laws will have on our hobby. . .

. . . .the slow decline and then death of our beloved RC hobby in the United States!

Eventually local hobby shops will disappear, then flight fields.

I give this hobby 10 years before it's outlawed in our country.. . . . You might wanna consider living in a country that won't crimimilze this hobby.

And Those RCG members that compare regeristering your RC aircraft to regeristering you automobile, boats, guns are the Amerikons that still believe in the American-Dream that you have to be asleep to believe!
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Dec 16, 2015, 05:01 AM
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I will not register my airplanes. I have been flying safely for more than 35 years, never harmed anyone or anything. What are they going to do about it really? throw me in prison? LOL what a joke. I very well might start selling of my 35+ years worth of collection though.

Just gonna sit back with my and watch the show for a while.
Dec 16, 2015, 06:33 AM
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So Im wondering where these so called "for the R/C enthusiasts" reps from the AMA are? If this is the biggest R/C forum in the world, surely the head honchos from the AMA are around on here. Why dont they speak up in here and tell us whats really going on with all this HS suddenly imposed on us. Come on Mr. AMA rep, show your cajones on here and start representing your members instead of kissing the FAA's ass just to try and keep your membership up. Mr. AMA rep sounds like some damn union BA that never comes out to the picket line, but will damn sure come knocking on your door when your union dues are due.
Dec 16, 2015, 07:42 AM
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Many of you are too young to remember this, but the FCC tried this with CB radios back in the 1970s.
People ignored the rules, and nobody was punished. It was a big joke throughout the CB community. I got a license, but it was nothing more than a piece of paper.

I can see the same thing happening with this. Most people buying a drone won't give a hoot, those that fly professionally will get a license, the rest won't know you're supposed to.

There is no way the FAA can inforce this.
Dec 16, 2015, 08:05 AM
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