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I found the advertisement of the Monteleone K 30 type of motor in Rassegna di Modellismo 1959-1962 issues. There are also other types of motors in the advertisment: K 19, Minimax and Max I. The first appearence of the advertisement is in the December 1959 issue.
The K 30 motor was the best one, it cost 2950 Italian Liras between 1959-1962. For comparison, a Rassegna di Modellismo journal cost 250 Italian Liras at the same time. The advertisements explains how a Monteleone motor could be found in a Graupner Condor in Germany. The motors were on sale independently of the boats. 1956-1962 issues of the Rassegna di Modellismo can be downloaded in PDF from here: http://www.avia-it.com/act/bibliotec...modellismo.asp This seems to be a great Italian modelling literature collection of that time. There are also several model boat plans in them. |
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I particularly like the cartoon on the second page of this issue...! http://www.avia-it.com/act/bibliotec...01956%2011.pdf |
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This is a great collection as Dodgy wrote. I'm glad I speak Italian so I can read the articles
 In the issue of April 1960 there is an article on Monteleone motors. The K.30 type of motor had two versions: 6V and 12V. Both of them had an RPM of 5800 per minute. The motor weights 110g. The article says that the K.19 motor had high amount of cobalt in its magnets, so probably the K.30 had the same material of magnets. The article also mentions a newly developed Monteleone model boat, the Bahia Blanca. It is made from plastic and has two electric motors. In the bottom of the article you can see two photos of the Monteleone factory. |
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This is an article of the Rassegna di Modellismo August 1960 magazine about the newly introduced Monteleone Bahia Blanca model boat.
I found no other trance of this model anywhere on the internet. There is some info on the original ship. It has a very interesting story, so we can understand why Monteleone, an Italian model boat builder chose to build this boat. Source of the story: https://www.simplyscuba.com/docs/Shipwrecks-UMBRIA.aspx The story: "In 1912, the Bahia Blanca went into service with the Hamburg-Amerika Line and plied the routes between Europe and Argentina, until the outbreak of WW1. When war was declared the ship was interned in Buenos Aries. In 1918 she was purchased by the Argentinean Government who used the vessel until 1935 - retaining the same name. The ship was then sold to the Italian government, given a complete refit as a troopship and renamed Umbria. In 1937 she was finally sold to the Lloyd Triestino Navigation Company of Genoa and used throughout the Mediterranean and Red Sea to carry passengers and freight. When War broke out, however, Italy was initially a neutral country with her own military bases in foreign lands. It was inevitable that the Umbria would be pressed into serving her country. By May 1940 the Master of the Umbria was Captain Lorenzo Muiesan - a very experienced Master Mariner. It was Muiesan who personally supervised the loading of every item during a lengthy process in which the ship visited the ports of Genoa, Leghorn and Naples as she collected a variety of stores destined for the forthcoming Italian war effort. With no secrecy, the Umbria was finally loaded with 5,510 tons of explosives and 2,910 tons of general freight destined for Massawa, Assab, Karachi, Bombay, Madras, Calcutta and Rangoon. The explosives was scheduled to be offloaded at Massawa and Assab and comprised no fewer than 360,000 individual aircraft bombs ranging in size from 15, 50 and 100 kg. The vessel also carried a large quantity of fuses, ammunition and detonators. The general freight element was largely building materials, bagged cement and 3 Fiat Lunga motorcars. The Umbria called at Messina on 28 May 1940 for coal and water before finally sailing for Massawa. On 3 June she arrived at Port Said where she took on another 1,000 tons of coal and water. By this time, however, it was a well known fact that Italy was about to enter the War. The British knew this and were also fully aware of this ship's deadly cargo and how it could be used to devastating effect against them. Nevertheless, Italy was still a neutral country and had every right to move warlike stores to the outposts of her small Empire. The British took every opportunity to delay the Umbria whenever they could. Royal Navy officers boarded the vessel and, in collusion with harbour officials and ships' pilots, used every delaying tactic at their disposal in the hope that they would learn of Italy's entry into the War and be in a position to seize both ship and cargo - legally. Eventually allowed to proceed, the Umbria finally cleared Suez on 6 June and was immediately followed by HMS Grimsby. On 9 June the Umbria entered Sudanese waters and HMS Grimsby ordered her inshore - under the pretext of searching for contraband. The ship was escorted to Wingate Reef where she anchored. Then the HMS Leander arrived and a party of 20 seaman boarded the Umbria. Having searched the vessel thoroughly for contraband and found nothing, the boarding party remained on board and spent the night on her decks. At one point, Muiesan went to his cabin and turned on his small radio - just in time to hear the long-awaited declaration of Italy joining forces with Hitler and waging war against the Allies. The broadcast said that War would be declared at 7 pm that day - 10 June 1940, and that hostilities would commence at midnight. Muiesan, however, was very patriotic and realised he was the only person in Port Sudan who had heard this news. He was also well aware of how his cargo might now be used against his country. Recognising that both the Umbria and the cargo she carried were now lost to the Italian cause, his only remaining option was to deny his new-found enemy the use of both. Right under the noses of the British boarding party, Muiesan arranged for the sea-cocks to be opened and then destroyed. Then he arranged for his entire crew to undertake a very realistic lifeboat drill. Believing this would only assist their own delaying tactics the British watched as the crew took to their lifeboats and pulled away. Then Muiesan asked for his men to be taken on board the Grimsby. Only now did they realise the abandon ship exercise was for real and that the Umbria was sinking right under their feet." |
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G'day All
I'm new and have been posting around the forum trying to identify this lovely sailboat I'm about to undertake restoring, there are some Monteleone fittings upon this boat so I thought you might be interested! Length: 860mm Width: 180mm (Widest Point) The boats detail and appearance is quite unique so I wonder if it was scratch built with Monteleone fittings attached or if it is a true Monteleone Boat? If it helps the Mabuchi Motor 45 shows that this boat is early to mid 1960s. Cheers Harry |
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Pros: - The style of details of the boat seems similar. There is a similar wooden line on both sides. We don't see this commonly on model boats. - The fitting of the superstructure reminds me of my Monteleone boat: the rear of the superstructure is longer and this holds the superstructure in its place. - Your ventillation holes are exactly the same as on my Monteleone boat. I'm not sure where these parts come from as I currently know only two 1950-1960s original wooden Monteleone boats in the world and only one of them have these ventillation holes. Cons: - The common already identified parts are shown in the attached photo. Look at the deatils because they differ from other sets. Unfortunately we can't see any of them on your boat. - Your lights are definitely from Graupner. The lights on my Montelone boat are standard Graupner lights from the 1960s. The Graupner Condor 1 came with the same lights. - I also think that a Montelone boat would possibly come with a Monteleone motor. Advertisements show that Monteleone had a great lineup of motors at that time. |
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Hey All
I know a number of you here have dealt with restoring boats from around the 1960s, have you ever encountered lead-based paint during these restorations? If so what methods have you used to deal with it? My boats early to mid 1960s so I'm trying to get it checked out wether it has traces of lead-based paint before I continue sanding. I know that leadbased paint was used significantly during the early 1960s. |
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Let's have a look at the medical data we can find on the net. Lead is a poison which is eliminated from an adult body fairly readily, so it would be very unusual to see any damage from occasional exposure. Most adult lead poisoning cases are instances where regular consumption of lead occurs - workers with the material, people who drink acid drinks from lead-glazed utensils, etc. Stopping the exposure will usually reverse any symptoms. Children, however, are much more susceptible to lead poisoning, and can suffer permanent brain damage if they ingest quantities of lead while they are growing - so it's a good idea to keep kids away from lead paint dust. Most modellers nowadays wear a mask while using a power sander, and that would be a good idea if you think the paint may be lead-based. It's probably a good idea to sand in a place where you can collect the dust easily, and dispose of it as you would any paint residue. I wouldn't take any more precautions than those. Of course, other people's mileage might vary... |
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Hey All,
Do any of you know if there is still a way to acquire Mersey Marine fittings? The the boat I'm restoring is missing part of the searchlight and it would be great if I can track down a replacement. Got any ideas? Cheers Harry |
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I found some photos of two red labeled Monteleone motors. These motors are possibly from the 1960s-1970s. Both work on 3V-6V. One of them has reduction gears.
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It is nearly two years ago I opened this thread. Now, I found another boat of the same type as my original boat. However, it has no name on it, so we are not closer to find out the exact type. Interestingly it has Graupner Variophon S + Varioton system in it with a Graupner motor. This may even question if this is a Monteleone boat or it is from some other manufacturer. Electronics is definitely from the 1960s.
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Nice find, rcyard.
Any progress? Cees |
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Last edited by Taurus Flyer; Nov 12, 2017 at 01:53 AM.
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I didn't want to buy the boat as there is no use to have two boats of the same type. But good news, it was bought by a friend so I have some newer photos, also closeups. Unfortunately there is no name on the boat and the fittings seems to be different than on my boat. I'm unsure if the masts are original parts or not. My boat doesn't have them, but here we can see two of them. This boat had originally a Graupner Variophon/Varioton radio but it has been removed. I received the radio set, but it seems that it is not working well. The boat will be renovated and fitted with modern electronics.
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Characteristic shape, especially of the hull.
In the very beginning of my hobby, before I went flying, I did built a boat with simular shape. Less risky to start radio controlling.  It's a pity I did not make any photograph of it, yes, all went with a bicycle for transport in the early beginning, also my flying activities. Taurus Flyer |
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