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Oct 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
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Help me choose (sorry) - Looking for a decent starter 1/10 TC.


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I'm looking to pick up an electric 1/10 touring car. I have a large tarmac area in front of my house where I can chalk out a pretty sizeable track for general lap driving - so I'm looking for a car that is:

> 300 or less (preferably a little less)
> Pretty fast out the box (ideally 40mph+ top speed)
> Reliable and drives well enough without upgrades
> Customizable down the line (performance upgrades, shells etc)
> Able to drift acceptably with only a change of tires

In about a years time I should be able to race at a proper track - I can look at performance upgrades then.

Really, any help at all is greatly appreciated.
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Oct 29, 2015, 07:27 AM
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Kit or RTR?

I've started on the kits here, plan to include RTR's soon:
http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho....php?p=2244538
Oct 29, 2015, 02:28 PM
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Thanks for the link, your comments on car features were interesting and informative - but I'm really looking for an RTR that I can slap a different battery into. I'm liking the look of the Associated Apex Scion Racing FR-S, what are your comments on it?
Oct 29, 2015, 03:09 PM
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The Apex is a decent car, it's pretty much a pre-built TC4 which is a good entry level choice. For the price, I would go with one of the RGT rebrands over at NitroRCX and HobbyKing, here's my review of the RZ-4:
http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho....php?p=2252458

It's a big step up from what you'd get out of the Apex... for a car that's about on par with the Apex would be a rebranded Nanda NRX-10 from NitroRCX as reviewed here:
http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=120646

I still rent out a pair of DriftKing's to novice drivers at the tracks in my area, they are solid performers with a few mods.

Only difference with the Apex is that it's a little more expensive and offers a wider range of parts support. My only concern is that the electrics that come with the Apex are a too powerful IMO... I'd recommend going with a brushed setup so slower speeds will be less likely to break parts
Oct 29, 2015, 03:20 PM
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Here's a breakdown of how I would personally rank the cars:

Apex:
1) Price = 2
2) Durability = 4
3) Performance = 3
4) Support = 5
Overall = 3.5

DriftKing:
1) Price = 5
2) Durability = 3
3) Performance = 4
4) Support = 3
Overall = 3.75

RZ4:
1) Price = 5
2) Durability = 5
3) Performance = 4
4) Support = 3
Overall = 4.25

more info on my evaluation index here:
http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho....php?p=2309707
Oct 29, 2015, 04:31 PM
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Wow. That is actually very helpful! Can I fit aftermarket shells to the RZ-4, if so what size? And what's its top speed out of the box, compared to the Apex (I got the impression on 3s the Apex is like 50-60mph).

Again thanks, this is super helpful to me as I am basically clueless
Oct 29, 2015, 04:36 PM
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be careful. the faster it goes, the more damage you get when you accidentally crash into something. on a curvy race track, you dont nec need to have the faster top speed to win. on a BIG oval track, maybe that would be an advantage.
Oct 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
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Thanks for the advice. The track I will use will just be chalk drawn on a large tarmac area on my property (no walls, nothing nearby to hit - just some grass). Top end only interests me because I also have a ~150m concrete straight on my driveway, would just be kinda nice for a few casual speed runs - top end would be cool, but it's by no means a top priority. Again though, thanks for the input
Oct 30, 2015, 11:30 AM
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Do your recommendations change if I open my mind to kit based cars? Started looking at Tamiyas and they are cheap to buy with a lot of upgradeability and parts support etc.
Oct 30, 2015, 12:07 PM
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I like the new hpi. Looks like a descent little car
Oct 30, 2015, 12:38 PM
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The Sprint 3 Flux?
Oct 30, 2015, 02:53 PM
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Wow. That is actually very helpful! Can I fit aftermarket shells to the RZ-4, if so what size? And what's its top speed out of the box, compared to the Apex (I got the impression on 3s the Apex is like 50-60mph).

Again thanks, this is super helpful to me as I am basically clueless
Yes the RZ-4 can fit any standard 190mm-200mm Touring Car body... in my review thread you'll see how I converted it into a USVTA racer.

The electronics that come with the RZ-4 are comparable and will generate about the same top speed as the Apex.

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Do your recommendations change if I open my mind to kit based cars? Started looking at Tamiyas and they are cheap to buy with a lot of upgradeability and parts support etc.
I'm not a big fan of most Tamiya's unless you go with a TRF design.. in that case, for the price I'd recommend the knock off of the TRF416 here:
http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho....php?p=1740386

For the most part, I feel Tamiya's cars are generally overpriced for what you get.

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The Sprint 3 Flux?
I'm not a fan of any HPI car for on-road, they tend to be too close to entry level and comparably over priced with Tamiya.

It's scary how many choices are out there, and if a big name brand is calling out to you, then that's perfectly fine. Just understand that because you paid more for the car doesn't mean that it's truly better
Oct 30, 2015, 03:00 PM
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Have you had any experience with the Turnigy TD10 kit? https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Car_KIT_.html

It's cheap, that's for sure
If it's decent I could see myself slapping some Hobbyking electronics in it under a Dodge Viper shell (all time favourite) and getting a Futaba radio. Thoughts?

Edit: Your USVTA RZ-4 is super hot btw
Last edited by nathanmccormick; Oct 30, 2015 at 03:05 PM. Reason: Forgot to compliment, auto correct
Oct 30, 2015, 06:40 PM
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It's a rebranded Sakura Zero S, not a bad car but you can get the newer Sakura XI S for just a bit more.
Oct 30, 2015, 07:06 PM
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Have you had any experience with the Turnigy TD10 kit? https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s..._Car_KIT_.html

It's cheap, that's for sure
If it's decent I could see myself slapping some Hobbyking electronics in it under a Dodge Viper shell (all time favourite) and getting a Futaba radio. Thoughts?
Yes, I used to see a lot of these run at the tracks in my area, if I recall the spur gears were proprietary and that's a ding for me

Pretty good review here to study up on the noted flaws:
http://ferrency.blogspot.com/2012/12/sakura-s-zero.html


Here's how I'd personally rank the car to compare with the others mentioned earlier in this thread:

TD10 (rebranded Sakura Zero-S):
1) Price = 5
2) Durability = 3
3) Performance = 4
4) Support = 3
Overall = 3.75

For a cheap starter kit, I wouldn't have any problem recommending it, if you plan to race it competitively, then I'd go with something else.

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Your USVTA RZ-4 is super hot btw
Thanks!


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