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Oct 18, 2015, 06:13 AM
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British FF Kits in the 1930's /40's/50's ?


Hi all,

Just a Q's based on nostalgia & memories.

What balsa & FF kits were around in the UK in the 1930's/40's/50's ?

My grandad used to build & fly rubber powered models in England, way back when.

I'd love to know just what he might have been building & flying ?

There seems to be loads of American kits, but not much in regards to kits available on the other side of the pond.

Whatever he built and flew, I do know he lost plenty of them !
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Oct 18, 2015, 07:28 PM
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Keil Kraft, Veron and others were big in the 40s and 50s in the UK, NZ, I guess South Africa and Australia.

Applehoney has a very good knowledge of English aeromodelling and I'm sure he will come in and tell you much more than I can.
Oct 18, 2015, 09:59 PM
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Keil Kraft, Veron and others were big in the 40s and 50s in the UK, NZ, I guess South Africa and Australia.

Applehoney has a very good knowledge of English aeromodelling and I'm sure he will come in and tell you much more than I can.
Thanks gossie,

I can find plenty of American designs from that era, (all excellent of course), but not much from the UK or NZ etc.

I'll do a search on Keil Kraft & Veron and see what that gives me.

Cheers
Oct 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
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Thanks gossie,

I can find plenty of American designs from that era, (all excellent of course), but not much from the UK or NZ etc.

I'll do a search on Keil Kraft & Veron and see what that gives me.

Cheers
When you have built your Golly, a Keil Kraft Senator is a must do......Quick and easy to build and a certain flyer.
I've built 5 of them over the years, and many have built more than that I'm sure.
Oct 19, 2015, 12:40 AM
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old British aircraft magazines:
http://www.colinusher.info/Model%20Aircraft/images.html

Some plans for the old Frog kits:
http://houseoffrog.co.uk/

Among others, some simple, all sheet British kit designs from maybe the '50s?:
http://www.parmodels.com/Plans/Free%20Flight.htm

A company that sells reproductions of the old kits:
http://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/

There used to be a site devoted to Australian model designers, but I don't know what happened to it. As I recall, it had a lot of plans by H.E. Hervey. There are a bunch, I think, at Outerzone and Hip Pocket Aeronautics, and at least one at Aerofred:
http://aerofred.com/details.php?imag...vkoavctsmn0ag1

Outerzone and Hip Pocket have huge numbers of plans. Lots of them are British.
Oct 19, 2015, 01:46 AM
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When you have built your Golly, a Keil Kraft Senator is a must do......Quick and easy to build and a certain flyer.
I've built 5 of them over the years, and many have built more than that I'm sure.
Thanks again Gossie,

Look what I just found !

http://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/kk-senator.html
Oct 19, 2015, 01:48 AM
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old British aircraft magazines:
http://www.colinusher.info/Model%20Aircraft/images.html

Some plans for the old Frog kits:
http://houseoffrog.co.uk/

Among others, some simple, all sheet British kit designs from maybe the '50s?:
http://www.parmodels.com/Plans/Free%20Flight.htm

A company that sells reproductions of the old kits:
http://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/

There used to be a site devoted to Australian model designers, but I don't know what happened to it. As I recall, it had a lot of plans by H.E. Hervey. There are a bunch, I think, at Outerzone and Hip Pocket Aeronautics, and at least one at Aerofred:
http://aerofred.com/details.php?imag...vkoavctsmn0ag1

Outerzone and Hip Pocket have huge numbers of plans. Lots of them are British.
Thanks Lincoln,

Great links. Exactly what I was looking out for.

Cheers!
Oct 19, 2015, 02:01 AM
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Thanks again Gossie,

Look what I just found !

http://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/kk-senator.html

That tells you what Senator looks like, BUT your best shot to to get hold of a plan.......you will find it on the web to print out, or ask here for a plan and someone will send you one for a few dollars including the postage, rather than spending lots on a kit.
Mine is trashed being about 60 years old, and having been used to build five of them.
This way you also choose your own wood to suit lightness.

To be honest I've forgotten exactly, but I think my last one weighed 58 grams when it was new, plus 30 grams of rubber.......they are GREAT flyers.
And at the risk of bragging, mine won the world wide postal this year, although there were not a lot of competitors.
Oct 19, 2015, 02:11 AM
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That tells you what Senator looks like, BUT your best shot to to get hold of a plan.......you will find it on the web to print out, or ask here for a plan and someone will send you one for a few dollars including the postage, rather than spending lots on a kit.
Mine is trashed being about 60 years old, and having been used to build five of them.
This way you also choose your own wood to suit lightness.

To be honest I've forgotten exactly, but I think my last one weighed 58 grams when it was new, plus 30 grams of rubber.......they are GREAT flyers.
And at the risk of bragging, mine won the world wide postal this year, although there were not a lot of competitors.
Thanks,

I'll look around for the plan.

A very sweet looking plane. Nice to hear of your success & win with her.

I'm also thinking this would be slightly easier to build than the golly. (for a relative beginner like me) ?
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Oct 19, 2015, 02:23 AM
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Senator plan:
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=472
Lots of other British designs on this site. Such as the KK Gypsy:
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1359
Outerzone also has a half size version.

Hip Pocket Aeronautics also has the Gypsy and the Senator, plus a whole bunch of other ones.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/index.php
Oct 19, 2015, 02:29 AM
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Senator plan:
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=472
Lots of other British designs on this site. Such as the KK Gypsy:
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1359
Outerzone also has a half size version.

Hip Pocket Aeronautics also has the Gypsy and the Senator, plus a whole bunch of other ones.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/index.php
Yes, I just spotted that. Thanks Lincoln.
Oct 19, 2015, 07:28 AM
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No 1/2 size versions please.......build a real Senator.
I have a Gypsy......built it close to 20 years ago now.......it did have lots of flying and flies quite well.

Hip Pocket is a site well worth a look for you MrF. Lots and lots on Senator there to give all the right clues on them.

Build your Golly first, it's no harder than Senator or Gypsy.
Oct 19, 2015, 08:47 AM
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I can have a Senator print taken if required
Oct 20, 2015, 01:35 AM
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Gossie & Applehoney,

Thanks for the help with this.

I managed to download this plan;

http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=472

Is that the original KK Plan ?

I'll pop along to my local print shop & get them to print a few copies at full size.
Oct 20, 2015, 04:22 AM
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Yes MrF (Love that name). That Senator plan is as it came out in 1950.

And FWIW there are lots of good and simple tricks to have a Senator fly really well.


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