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Apr 30, 2015, 05:44 AM
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Ranger uses stun gun on man operating drone over lava lake


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Ranger uses stun gun on man operating drone over lava lake

Associated Press By JENNIFER SINCO KELLEHER
April 28, 2015 8:57 PM

HONOLULU (AP) A park ranger used a Taser on a man flying a drone over a lake of lava at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, then arrested the man in front of several hundred people after telling him that flying an unmanned aircraft at a national park is prohibited.

Crowds have been flocking to an overlook area at the park to watch a steadily rising lava lake at the summit of Kilauea volcano.

Travis Ray Sanders brought his family to the park on Saturday evening to record the lava with his drone and didn't realize the man yelling at him to bring it down was a ranger, he told Hawaii News Now.

"He sounded very angry, confrontational like he wanted to fight and I didn't really want to stick around for it so I just told him, 'I don't have ID and I'm leaving," Sanders told the Honolulu news station.

The ranger asked Sanders three times to bring the drone down, and Sanders eventually brought it down, park spokeswoman Jessica Ferracane told The Associated Press Tuesday.

"The ranger identified himself and approached the individual, who refused to identify himself," Ferracane said.

Because Sanders fled and was near the edge of the caldera rim where there's a 500-foot drop the ranger deployed a Taser, she said.

Another visitor to the park, Randy Horne, was setting up his camera and tripod at the overlook when he heard a commotion. He heard someone yell stop and when he turned around, he saw the ranger pull out a stun gun. He saw the weapon's "sparkly, glowing blue" wires attached to a man on the ground.

"I really didn't see there was any severe threat going on," Horne, of Honokaa, Hawaii, told the AP. "In my opinion, I thought it was a severe overreaction."

Horne watched as Sanders was handcuffed, checked by paramedics and then put into a police car.

Sanders, 35, of Pahoa, Hawaii, was arrested and cited with interfering with agency functions and operating an aircraft on undesignated land. He was taken to a Hawaii County police cellblock where he spent the night and was released in the morning on $500 bond, Ferracane said. He has a July 22 court date.

"He was described as being very unpredictable, belligerent," Ferracane said of Sanders. "The ranger felt he needed to be stopped for the safety of himself and others."
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Apr 30, 2015, 06:33 AM
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There is no rc flying drones or other aircraft in national parks. That ruling was put in effect two years ago.....
Apr 30, 2015, 06:36 AM
It flies!!! ... so who cares ?
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Just another example ... (Continued later)

Continued (now I can use a computer rather than a cell phone to post ...)

Ok, article by yahoo ...

THIS
http://www.suasnews.com/2015/04/3558...national-park/

is obviously (to me anyway) where yahoo (or the yahoo writer) derived their information from. Now lets take a closer look at this (linked) article for the facts listed there

It is saying, the quadro copter was THREE INCH size, so this makes it a camera equipped craft comprable to the Cheerson CX-10, the Estes Proto (which I think is the one they also offer with camera) or the WLTOYS V272 !
And now be real - what is the "serious" injury that can be sustained getting hit by one of these so you have to taser the perpetrator in the name of "public safety"???
(sure, technically this thing can cause disproportionate harm if it hits you straight in the eye with the propeller turning at full speed -BUT, you need about the same amount of "luck" you need for hitting the jackpot at a powerball drawing for this to happen ...)

Sooooo,
@dr.E:
YES, you are right, according to the "law" there is no "operating drones" in national parks, it carries up to a 10000$ fine (which I am sure they are going to hit the poor shmuck with just to set an example, once he gets his court date) - and despite the fact this "law" is as ridiculous as the ban of shipping lipos by plane (completely irrelevant which "size" they are).
Again, you are right (technically) and the guy is a moron who put a bad light on the rc community by doing something officially prohibited just to impress his little daughter.

BUT, if you simply focus on the fact that the guy did something "illegal" according to "the letters of the law", you are clearly missing the point ... which is a MUCH more sinister development that is ultimately going to negatively affect ALL of us.

There is a pattern that can be observed more and more and that is the ever growing number of individuals in the ranks of so called municipal law enforcement agencies who are abusing "the power vested in them" to harass, humiliate, intimidate and even purposely hurt otherwise innocent people by use of excessive force with the excuse of simply "doing their job and protecting public safety" - just to in reality release the aggression they have accumulated for whatever reason.

This pattern led to Ferguson, New York and Baltimore and will have plenty of follow ups. America is on a very slippery slope here and in grave danger of domestically!!! turning into a modern version of Germany in the late 30's/early 40's of last century [which - most ironically - America was instrumental in "abolishing" ...)

THAT is the "real news" people should be concerned about ( or better still: "afraid of") when reading this article, and NOT that some idiot shed a bad light on the rc community by "illegally operating a drone" in a national park ... what he already paid dearly for (and will surely be hit with a hefty fine as "icing on the cake")
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Apr 30, 2015, 09:49 AM
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Ya can't fix stupid except maybe with a taser.
Apr 30, 2015, 10:34 AM
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Ya can't fix stupid except maybe with a taser.
It's a shame they don't come equipped on keyboards.
Apr 30, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Totally with Erdnuckel on this one. Maybe we should start shooting J-walkers too. Oh and when you go 56mph: JAIL!
Apr 30, 2015, 12:03 PM
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The ranger asked Sanders three times to bring the drone down, and Sanders eventually brought it down, park spokeswoman Jessica Ferracane told The Associated Press Tuesday.

"The ranger identified himself and approached the individual, who refused to identify himself," Ferracane said.
First warning should have been enough, second one should have blasted the drone with a shotgun.

Anyone trespassing with one over my property would get the same. First to remove it, second, it's a fair game target.

Regards Ian.
Apr 30, 2015, 09:20 PM
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Should have given him one for the road he he he! Hey that might even work. Fly a drone where your not supposed to get a jolt. I still bet it would take the stupid ones several jolts to get the message.

Dennis
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May 03, 2015, 10:55 AM
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I agree with Ian's take of this . In rural Canada , this IS the remedy !
May 04, 2015, 08:04 PM
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Don't know all the facts, so what I say is rhetorical. I'm just wondering what would have happened, if the park ranger quietly walked up to the individual, introduced himself. Then explained what the law is, and asked the individual if he knew about it. Then asked the individual to retrieve his aircraft. Then tell him, he didn't want to see him again flying it in his park, otherwise he would have to arrest him. Then if these efforts failed, then escalate matters.

I think that would have accomplished more than the scene that resulted, which probably scared the wits out of innocent bystanders as well. Would they have been considered as accessories to the fact?
May 04, 2015, 08:17 PM
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There is no rc flying drones or other aircraft in national parks. That ruling was put in effect two years ago.....
Disregarding our personal freedoms afforded by the Constitution, seems our nation's leaders in our society must enact overly strict rules that inhibit freedom for the sake of a few unruly. It used to be that once a few trouble makers were busted, the rest fell in line.

There just seems to be too many Grinches that stole Christmas out there in our society, unfortunately.
May 04, 2015, 08:38 PM
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I was flying in Bles Park (Loudoun County, Virginia). I knew it was an off-limits location but it is remote, and a thunderstorm the day before had closed the soccer fields. But, someone called the Sheriff's Department. The deputy drove up while I had my 2-meter ASW-28 glider in the air and three others planes lined up. He waited for awhile and then said, "I think you know why I'm here."

I said, "Yes. I was just waiting for you to say something. Let me bring it down."

He said, "While you do, I have a partner who loves these things. Can I call him?"

"Sure."

A little while later, a second Deputy arrived and I opened the planes and talked about them. I asked, "Who busted me?'

One laughed and pointed over at the apartments about 500 meters in the distance, "There's an old lady over there. We call her 'The Sentinel' because she watches the park with binoculars and is always calling us when she feels something isn't right."

I said, "She probably loves that you sent for a second car."

We had a good discussion about reasonable rules the county could apply that would allow people like me to enjoy RC safely in the parks. They ended up taking my business card and turned it over to the County Manager. We will see what happens.
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May 04, 2015, 08:45 PM
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Read the article the guy states he didn't know he was a Ranger yet in the next sentence states he said he didn't have any ID and he was leaving. Sounds to me like he had no intention of co-operating. Charge up that sucker and let him have another.

Dennis
May 04, 2015, 09:14 PM
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I've kind of learned to take what I read in the newspapers or see on-line, on TV, etc. and take it with a grain of salt. Not everything written or spoken is totally true. And yes, it is possible the individual being apprehended was a jerk, too.

Think I might take my CL flying more seriously and not worry about RC ramifications. I like to go round and round, paddling without a care like a one legged duck. It's all about having fun, and I think there are a lot other things to concentrate on that we enjoy, like recreating vintage aircraft and seeing them fly again, perhaps with a mode change (FF to RC, CL to RC, FF to CL, etc.
May 06, 2015, 10:35 AM
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Don't know all the facts, so what I say is rhetorical. I'm just wondering what would have happened, if the park ranger quietly walked up to the individual, introduced himself. Then explained what the law is, and asked the individual if he knew about it. Then asked the individual to retrieve his aircraft. Then tell him, he didn't want to see him again flying it in his park, otherwise he would have to arrest him. Then if these efforts failed, then escalate matters.

I think that would have accomplished more than the scene that resulted, which probably scared the wits out of innocent bystanders as well. Would they have been considered as accessories to the fact?
In California, for example, if you are a spectator to illegal street racing, you can be arrested along with the racers. The racers get their cars crushed, and the spectators get a fine. That's like curing the common cold by beheading.
The flip side of the argument is that the dragstrips have been closed down (which were originally opened to get racing off the streets). So what did they think would happen?

So yes, an overzealous officer (and there are many!), could have made others accessories.

But the fact is, as David pointed out, that there are precious few places to fly in certain areas. Where is he SUPPOSED to go to fly? He took it to a park and the cops jumped him. So now what? If he flies over a large body of water like the ocean, he's not going to hurt anybody, but if it's a national park, he can get tasered for that too, and arrested and slapped with a 10 grand fine.
...Worse yet, how dare he fly one wingtip over someone's private property, or he risks getting it blown out of they sky with a shotgun. (Ian).

I also agree with George.
We are supposed to be the leaders of the free world.
Well, here's a news flash. We no longer are the free-est nation. We have fallen several notches back, due to overzealous government control and micromanagement.

Yes, this is beginning to resemble Germany when the Socialist party called the Nazi's applied their strangle-hold over the country in the 1930's. You either join, or else you're a target.
The IRS already targets those who do not follow the leader. (No political parties are mentioned. Draw your own conclusions).
How long will it be before we resemble Germany in the 1930's?
Little by little, our Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms are being taken away.


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