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Mar 20, 2015, 01:58 PM
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Need help getting parts to Boy Scouts convert a foam glider to RC plane


I have no experience doing RC planes. Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders. I am tasked with trying to buy the parts and determine the process needed to convert them to remote control electric planes.

I am lost. Are there kits to do what I am trying to do? When I look up kits on some of the sites, it appears that they always include the the plane fuselage and wings etc. Is there kits that include just the controls, wiring, battery, motor, propeller etc. ?

Please help me help these boys
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Mar 20, 2015, 02:30 PM
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I have no experience doing RC planes. Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders. I am tasked with trying to buy the parts and determine the process needed to convert them to remote control electric planes.
Blind leading the blind. What'd you do? Volunteer?

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I am lost. Are there kits to do what I am trying to do? When I look up kits on some of the sites, it appears that they always include the the plane fuselage and wings etc. Is there kits that include just the controls, wiring, battery, motor, propeller etc. ?
There aren't conversion kits as far as I know. You pick the parts you need and install them doing whatever modifications are needed to make it work. This isn't easy stuff for the more experienced much less a total beginner. Your best bet is to involve a nearby club to help you. Trying to do it online is NOT the way to go about it. Good luck.

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Mar 20, 2015, 02:30 PM
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Here is my conversion. It was a Ultra Flyer foam glider $10.
I'm using 2 EFlight Park 370 Brushless Outrunner Motor, 1360Kv
Using carbon fiber flat stock I made motor mounts using JB Weld to glue to the motors to the wings.
2 EFlight 10 amp ESC's and 2 450 mAh 3S batteries.
I made my ailerons and elevator out of bass wood.
There's no kits for this and getting the CG is the biggest hurdle in a build like this.
total cost was like $200
Good luck and good flying.
Mar 20, 2015, 02:34 PM
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You've got a lot to learn and figure out. It's going to be a bit overwhelming.

Look in the Foamies (Scratchbuilt) forum further down for good info on mounting the motor and control surfaces.

Search there or the rest of RC Groups for threads on converting gliders. Plenty of people have converted gliders to RC.

The only place that I know of with component kits is twistedhobbys.com.
They call them Power Combos. They're really nice, but not cheap. One nice thing is that no soldering is required.

What radio(transmitter) and receiver will you use?


These are two good sites for cheaper parts.
http://www.headsuphobby.com/
http://www.valuehobby.com/

I'm not sure of the specs/weight of your gliders. My off the cuff guess is that you'll use 12 gram servos, 20 amp ESC and 2 cell or 3 cell battery.
Mar 20, 2015, 02:36 PM
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Googling "Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders" showed several images of RC conversions: https://www.google.com/search?q=Sky+...w=1920&bih=955 .

In general though, these gliders don't do that well as RC -- meant to be hand launched, and that's the point of the highest speed & lift.

Also, buying all the RC stuff is more expensive and complex than buying RFT stuff with a proven record:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/champ-rtf-hbz4900

http://www.horizonhobby.com/category...1/ready-to-fly

BOL,

Jim
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Mar 20, 2015, 02:47 PM
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If you go to Youtube and do a search on, - air hogs titan glider rc -, there are a few videos showing conversions.

Though I doubt they list all the components.

The different possible systems, (components), are near impossible to list.
The costs could be kept to a minimum, but would probably be cheap and not usable for the next 'better' model.
Roughly -
Transmitter
Receiver
2 servos - elevator, rudder
ESC - electronic speed controller
Motor
Prop
Prop Adapter
Connectors
Battery
Battery charger
Plus various ancillary bits and pieces.

Oh, and a bag full of model knowledge on how to do it, set it all up safely, trimming, and flying.

Why not just hold competitions for foam chuck gliders ?, most loops, longest flight - time -distance, best paint job etc etc.
Mar 20, 2015, 02:51 PM
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I had to beef my whole plane with carbon fiber rods.
wings, tail, fuselage. That is because most of those cheep gliders use really poor quality foam.
Mar 20, 2015, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyScoutNovice
Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders.
The 'Raptor' is a new, near-identical-copy of the 'Titan' 4-foot foam glider that has been around for about five years. There is a very long thread detailing many different conversions-to-RC that people have done on the Titan here:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=1246101

If anything, there is "too much information" there!

I myself have done different single-motor and dual-motor configurations of the Titan/Raptor, and even one with retracts. But as was previously stated, this type of experimentation/improvisation is not for people new to RC. It's for people who are already very familiar with many different RC electronic components and are looking for a challenge beyond just throwing together an Almost-Ready-to-Fly kit with instructions.

I think Mark Wood had an excellent idea, that you might try contacting a local RC club for help. RCgroups has a directory for that here:
https://www.rcgroups.com/places/

My own RC club does programs with local scout groups sometimes. Good luck!
Mar 20, 2015, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyScoutNovice
I have no experience doing RC planes. Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders. I am tasked with trying to buy the parts and determine the process needed to convert them to remote control electric planes.

I am lost. Are there kits to do what I am trying to do? When I look up kits on some of the sites, it appears that they always include the the plane fuselage and wings etc. Is there kits that include just the controls, wiring, battery, motor, propeller etc. ?

Please help me help these boys
You don't say where you are, but if you go to the AMA website there is a search tool to find local clubs. The suggestion to involve a club is a good one. Ours works with scouting groups regularly.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx
Mar 20, 2015, 07:01 PM
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DON"T try to do this on your own, it will end up driving you nuts and won't help the kids at all. Find a local club and ask for help , most clubs will at least have someone that will help. all tho sometimes they can be hard to dig out of the woodwork . DON'T be afraid to ask, if you don't ask they can't say they can or will help.

If all else fails try to find some one that flies to give you a hand, but for sure YOU need help and that's NOT a bad thing, just hard to choke down sometimes.

For sure try to find a good club to help, random fliers can sometimes be worse then no help at all. GOOD LUCK and Thanks for trying to help the scouts . ENJOY !!! RED
Mar 21, 2015, 07:46 PM
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+1 on getting help from a local club or experienced RC pilots.
Almost zero chance of success without.

I've done several of the AirHog Titan gliders.
Most are clipped wing, 90 mph rocket ships. Which are a hoot BTW.
Posted a few of the builds in the Titan thread linked above.

I've made a couple into trainer types with these electronics:
http://www.hobbypartz.com/60p-dy-1006.html
http://www.valuehobby.com/power-syst...0mah-2s-t.html

You'll also need radios.
Nothing extravagant, something along these lines will do:
https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=15142
Mar 22, 2015, 07:45 AM
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I am with Boogie and Red a local club is your best bet. Where are you located?

We can help you find a club or mentor that will help build and fly safely. Most clubs have the equipment to buddy box. Which puts a exp pilot in control of the plane, he can let the noob take control on a different transmitter. When the new pilot looses control he takes over instantly. In the video below it shows this as they put many people on the transmitter.

Flite Test | FT Tiny Trainer (12 min 3 sec)
Mar 22, 2015, 09:25 AM
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Novice,

here is a link to my blog on the conversion of the ultra flyer glider to a high wing pusher

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=2280810

the problem, as I see from the distance , is that apparently none in the troop knows how to fly.
This is the first requirement, the best or ideal plane for your situation will be damaged very quickly in the hands of inexperienced pilots.

I urge you to consider learning to fly with a free flight simulator first ( both you and the scouts !) , RCDP or FMS are my suggestions.

Other option for the conversion is to stay with an un-powered glider, but with rudder and elevator control.
It will be lighter and simpler to use. A nice location with a slope would be a great place to hand launch it .

For this you will need a transmitter (HK 6ch, 2.4 GHz) , receiver (6ch, HK) , two 9gram servos, a battery for the plane (500 mAh 2S), and a BEC (to provide 5V to the receiver after regulating the battery voltage)


transmitter: https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

transmitter ( cheaper option) : https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

receiver: https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

servo : https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html

BEC (if not using ESC with BEC and motor) : https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...arehouse_.html



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Last edited by JureZ; Mar 23, 2015 at 05:33 AM.
Mar 22, 2015, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyScoutNovice
I have no experience doing RC planes. Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders. I am tasked with trying to buy the parts and determine the process needed to convert them to remote control electric planes.

I am lost. Are there kits to do what I am trying to do? When I look up kits on some of the sites, it appears that they always include the the plane fuselage and wings etc. Is there kits that include just the controls, wiring, battery, motor, propeller etc. ?

Please help me help these boys
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Mar 22, 2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyScoutNovice
I have no experience doing RC planes. Our Boy Scout troop received several 48" wingspan, Sky Riders, Raptor foam gliders. I am tasked with trying to buy the parts and determine the process needed to convert them to remote control electric planes.

I am lost. Are there kits to do what I am trying to do? When I look up kits on some of the sites, it appears that they always include the the plane fuselage and wings etc. Is there kits that include just the controls, wiring, battery, motor, propeller etc. ?

Please help me help these boys
would be glad to help if you still need it
if you are in north east ohio you would be welcome to my place and would help with the convesion and then flight instruction
don


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