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Old Apr 15, 2004, 10:21 PM
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Need info on speed 400 size glider.


I used to fly glider for many years and now I like to get into EP glider. I like to stay with speed 400 size since I got all the gears like gearbox, 20A esc, 8x600 mah nicad and 8x1050 1050 Kan packs.
I am thinking of building a V-tail glider with carbon (arrow shaft) boom. I would like to know what will be the maximum wing span and wing chord should be before it gets too big.
My 11 years old son is showing interest in RC planes and I like to teach him to fly with this glider.

I would like to know: Ideal wing span, wing chord, airfoil to use, gearbox ratio, propeller size and brand etc.

Perhaps someone can help direct me to another website or thread that has picture and plan for what I am looking for.

Thank you.
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Old Apr 16, 2004, 12:11 AM
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VX400 or Skimmer. Cheap.

If a slope is available, then teach your kid to fly with an EPP toy. I failed to teach myself to fly with EP gliders and parkflyers... then I built a RAIDER from WingWarrior; and chased it down hills until I learned to land at the top of the hill. EPP does not bounce, but it will take an amazing number of "yard dart" landings.
Old Apr 16, 2004, 12:30 AM
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Could try this for $15:
http://members.aol.com/alcyonepilot/Mosquito.htm

Or this for $20:
http://members.aol.com/alcyonepilot/EPanther.htm
Old Apr 16, 2004, 01:25 AM
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Epp


I actually have a diy Zagi with speed 400 but I though would be difficult to learn on since it's not a standard rudder and elevator beginner setup.
I think I should get him to try it, I am kind of getting bored of it anyway.
Old Apr 16, 2004, 01:28 AM
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I'll 2nd the SKimmer. It's occationally on sale at Hobbylobby for $19. One of the best small gliders I've flown. Would be worth it at twice the price. I have mine set up with a 6V DD 6x3 folder and 7 600AE cells. Cheap all they way around, and it has yet to dissapoint.

One thing... If you build one, put 1/4 washout in the tips. Instrustions don't mention this, but it has a nasty tip stall without them. With them it is very gentle.

Just do a search here for skimmer 400.
Old Apr 16, 2004, 07:58 AM
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If you're looking for an ARF, you can't go wrong with a Dymond Flipper or a Dymond Pelican (same plane different covering). 60" wing span, indestructible body (plastic, which Dymond calls nylon). Very easy to fly, glides nicely - I have kept mine up several times for over 35 minutes and once for over 50 minutes.

It flies very well with either a 480 DD 6x3 prop, or a 400 Geared 4:1 with an 11x8 prop. Performs well under both configs. I use the KAN 1050 8 cells, so yours would work. It takes abuse and will last you a long time unless it flies away from you - not hard to do if you get it up to about a 1,000 feet. $99, very easy assembly.

www.dymond-rc.com
Old Apr 18, 2004, 10:01 PM
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Thanks guys for the info. I'll see what is available here. Skimmer 400 is very cheap but delivery cost to Australia is pretty expensive. I have to check the prices for Pelican and Flipper.

Talking about geared 400 or 480, 2 days ago I flew a new Miss Acro (Scorpio ARTF) for the first time. The motor setup is speed 400 long can, MPJ gearbox 2.3:1 and APC SF 10x7 with 8x600 mah Nicad and 8X1050 mah Kan. On the ground with full throttle I only get just over 2 minutes with 600 mah and 3.5 minutes with Kan pack. I was dissapointed with the test but when I flew the plane I got easy 8 minutes mostly on half throttle or less.

I quess with this kind of setup on a 60" glider I will get few good climbs.
Old Apr 18, 2004, 10:08 PM
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I'm real happy with my Kyosho Stratus 1600. I have had it for about 2 years and it has proven very durable and good thermaller.

The stock motor is a lil weak but it will get you up there. It normally costs $119 but can be found for $99 occasionally.

http://www.kyosho.com/airplanes/kyoa1080.html


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Old Apr 19, 2004, 11:26 AM
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Stratus is readily available here but it's outside the speed 400 range that I have in mind. I don't want to have to by new esc,baterry etc.
Old Apr 19, 2004, 01:30 PM
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How about Horizon Hobby ASCENT ?.
It has arrowshaft tail boom like you description.
It is $79 here in the US.
Check out the long thread on Ascent in this forum.

By the way, the link to Dymond R/C should be www.rc-dymond.com
Old Apr 19, 2004, 09:29 PM
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Ascent looks like a nice glider I will check it out if it's available here. Thanks guys.
Old Apr 20, 2004, 12:06 PM
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If your problem is the deliver cost, check out this: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...highlight=zhack

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Old Apr 20, 2004, 09:23 PM
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JL,

The link doesn't work or has been removed?
Old Apr 21, 2004, 01:56 AM
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S400 Won't Work?


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Originally Posted by tocano
Stratus is readily available here but it's outside the speed 400 range that I have in mind. I don't want to have to by new esc,baterry etc.
I ran my Kyosho Soarus Sport with a Graupner S400 when the supplied Mabuchi 550 motor got damaged. Admittedly it was much weaker on climbout, but it DID climbout and man did it glide - MUCH better than the Mabuchi 550.

That plane is a nice plane as an e-glider starter, and remember, the S550 motors are cheap also. Don't remove it from your list unless you really hate the design. 2M e-gliders are pretty cool.

Happy Flying ;-)

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Old Apr 21, 2004, 07:17 AM
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If available over there, have a look at the Omega gliders.


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