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Old Jun 04, 2014, 10:56 PM
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DYS BE1806 Thrust Tests


My other thrust tests:
Once again working with MultiRotorMinis, I got my hands on a set of DYS BE1806 2300KV motors to run through the paces. Even though these motors don't come in fancy packaging like the EMAX motors do, they have tight tolerances out of the box, plenty of clearance for mounting screws up to the windings, generously long motor leads with pre-soldered 2mm male bullets, uses the staggered 12mm and 16mm mounting patterns, offers two prop mounting solutions (traditional bolt on adapter and a T-motor style two screw option), and a color closer to orange than gold. The list of features is impressive in it self, but how do they stack up to the EMAX MT1806 or the SunnySky X2204S?

To recap how the test data is collected; I use the telemetry on my FrSKY Taranis bound to a X6R receiver which has a 40A FrSKY smart port current sensor on it. The Taranis data logs the information into a CSV file, which I then extra and make a little more user friendly. The static thrust is measured by a scratch built jig and the wife's kitchen scale set to grams, as seen in the MT1806 results thread, and I watch the readout and record the results.

Quick run down of the results - DYS BE1806 2300KV Brushless Motors:
GF 5030 Prop - 415 Grams pulling 9.0A @ 100% / 230 Grams pulling 3.6A @ 50%
HQ 5030 Prop - 360 Grams pulling 7.5A @ 100% / 205 Grams pulling 3.3A @ 50%
HQ 5040 Prop - 440 Grams pulling 10.6A @ 100% / 225 Grams pulling 4.2A @ 50%
HQ 6030 Prop - 485 Grams pulling 10.2A @ 100% / 240 Grams pulling 4.0A @ 50%
HQ 6045 Prop - 580 Grams pulling 16.1A @ 100% / 235 Grams pulling 5.1A @ 50%

Curiosity then got the best of me and had to try a 4S run. I went with the least aggressive prop, the HQ 5030, crossed my fingers and went for broke...

HQ 5030 Prop on 4S - 570 Grams pulling 11.5A @ 100% / 280 Grams pulling 5.1A @ 50%

I do not claim that this 4S setup on a EMAX 12A Simon Series ESC is flyable, just wanted to do a proof of concept. Any attempts and resulting damage is done so at your own risk.













So. Wow. This 1806 size motor makes some serious power. It tested about 10% higher than I expect just about across the board. It is power hungry (amperage), compared to other tests, but it does reward with power (thrust).

I have had discussions with the user sonic_boom to test the RCTimer 1806 2300KV motor option. Will see about having those results available once the motor is in my hands. If you would like to see other motors tested, please drop me a PM and we can discuss the options.
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Old Jun 04, 2014, 11:21 PM
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aren't the results same as sunnysky motors ?
Old Jun 04, 2014, 11:27 PM
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aren't the results same as sunnysky motors ?
Here is the summary from the SS result thread:

Quick run down of the results - SunnySky X2204S 2300KV Brushless Motors:
GF 5030 Prop - 345 Grams pulling 7.1A @ 100% / 130 Grams pulling 2.0A @ 50%
HQ 5030 Prop - 285 Grams pulling 5.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 1.8A @ 50%
HQ 5040 Prop - 360 Grams pulling 8.9A @ 100% / 135 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6030 Prop - 395 Grams pulling 8.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6045 Prop - 560 Grams pulling 16.1A @ 100% / 215 Grams pulling 4.0A @ 50%

My SS result under performed what they were expected to achieve, I believe. I wonder about the quality of the recent batches since the supply chain has been so strained for them. But that isn't anything I can prove. Just take the comparison as a grain of salt.
Old Jun 05, 2014, 12:02 AM
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Nice work, thank you,
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Old Jun 05, 2014, 12:29 AM
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Here is the summary from the SS result thread:

Quick run down of the results - SunnySky X2204S 2300KV Brushless Motors:
GF 5030 Prop - 345 Grams pulling 7.1A @ 100% / 130 Grams pulling 2.0A @ 50%
HQ 5030 Prop - 285 Grams pulling 5.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 1.8A @ 50%
HQ 5040 Prop - 360 Grams pulling 8.9A @ 100% / 135 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6030 Prop - 395 Grams pulling 8.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6045 Prop - 560 Grams pulling 16.1A @ 100% / 215 Grams pulling 4.0A @ 50%

My SS result under performed what they were expected to achieve, I believe. I wonder about the quality of the recent batches since the supply chain has been so strained for them. But that isn't anything I can prove. Just take the comparison as a grain of salt.
I am at 50% hover on my 500g AUW quad with sunnysky's, so your results are pretty close as mine. maybe I should try these or the rctimer ones.
Old Jun 05, 2014, 01:01 AM
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More good data, Mustang! Thank you!

It would be nice if there was a way to compare data for all the motors side by side, for any given prop. To me, it's also terribly confusing to have so many separate threads. Is there any way you could merge all your motor data threads, and somehow collate the info? Maybe have a single thread, with an index and links to each test in the first post?

Edit: I know you have cross-links at the beginning of each thread. I'm still confused and find myself hunting around. However, it just occurred to me that it may be the recent explosive growth of mini brushless motor options that is confusing!

As a start, I've quoted your data for DYS BE1806 and SunnySky X2204 below, so we can compare without scrolling.

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Quick run down of the results - DYS BE1806 2300KV Brushless Motors:
GF 5030 Prop - 415 Grams pulling 9.0A @ 100% / 230 Grams pulling 3.6A @ 50%
HQ 5030 Prop - 360 Grams pulling 7.5A @ 100% / 205 Grams pulling 3.3A @ 50%
HQ 5040 Prop - 440 Grams pulling 10.6A @ 100% / 225 Grams pulling 4.2A @ 50%
HQ 6030 Prop - 485 Grams pulling 10.2A @ 100% / 240 Grams pulling 4.0A @ 50%
HQ 6045 Prop - 580 Grams pulling 16.1A @ 100% / 235 Grams pulling 5.1A @ 50%
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Quick run down of the results - SunnySky X2204S 2300KV Brushless Motors:
GF 5030 Prop - 345 Grams pulling 7.1A @ 100% / 130 Grams pulling 2.0A @ 50%
HQ 5030 Prop - 285 Grams pulling 5.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 1.8A @ 50%
HQ 5040 Prop - 360 Grams pulling 8.9A @ 100% / 135 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6030 Prop - 395 Grams pulling 8.5A @ 100% / 120 Grams pulling 2.2A @ 50%
HQ 6045 Prop - 560 Grams pulling 16.1A @ 100% / 215 Grams pulling 4.0A @ 50%
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Old Jun 05, 2014, 08:47 AM
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I read this and I have to try it.

My Polakium hex will not permit me to run 6" rotors. I am now going to try the DYS motors with 5030 HQs on 4S just to see if I can make it competitive with my WarpQuad. Just to see if I can.
Old Jun 05, 2014, 09:11 AM
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More good data, Mustang! Thank you!

It would be nice if there was a way to compare data for all the motors side by side, for any given prop. To me, it's also terribly confusing to have so many separate threads. Is there any way you could merge all your motor data threads, and somehow collate the info? Maybe have a single thread, with an index and links to each test in the first post?
There is a mini motor thread that has some comparisons.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=2144541

I and Matt (unitedheavy) is working on compiling all the Mini motor data into a single source. I have an Excel spreadsheet with all of these motors and have been putting the data from Mustang's tests and any other data I can find together.

We might have something next week to put in the mini motor thread.
Old Jun 05, 2014, 09:23 AM
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Thanks for the reminder, Waltr.

I've been checking in on the Mini Motor Options thread regularly. But I forgot that you and unitedheavy had joined efforts to compile all the data. We'll have to keep in mind that different bits of data may have come from different testers using different testing setups. It's not an easy task. So good luck!

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My Polakium hex will not permit me to run 6" rotors. I am now going to try the DYS motors with 5030 HQs on 4S just to see if I can make it competitive with my WarpQuad. Just to see if I can.
Bring it on, Cranial!
Old Jun 06, 2014, 12:53 AM
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I just pulled the trigger on my own 4S attempt; couldn't let Cranial have all the glory...

Going to use my CopterGeist CGX250 FPV frame, remove the SS X2204 motors, remove the EMAX 12A ESCs, install a set of the DYS BE1806 motors, install a set of Afro 20A ESCs, and run a Zippy Compact 1600mAh 4S 35C battery on HQ 5040 Props.

For reference, here is a look at how the current SS setup runs:

20140531 New Waverly SRS FPV CY Stingray Race (3 min 6 sec)


Next time, I will have enough power to run down Curtis in his Stingray when he edges me out in the turns from being a better pilot. I should probably also practice that piloting thing a bit more too.
Old Jun 06, 2014, 01:57 AM
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Mustang do you know how you / waltr / I could get a hold of the 2 new 2204 motors that RTFQuads has (they are out of stock)? Otherwise I'll make an RTFQ order soon, and grab those so that we can test them out as well. The cheaper $15 one looks like a cobra OEM, which should be pretty nice.
$20 Hengli Style 2204
$15 Cobra OEM 2204

I'll try to get the HL 2304 from HiModel as well.

EDIT: We need to take a look at the RCTimer 1806's as well.

Man this list is getting long :P

EDIT: Ok, this is crazy. RCX 1715

Oh yeah, there is also the soon to be released Multistar 2204

lol, I'm going to be broke.
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Old Jun 06, 2014, 01:59 AM
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Looks like someone else is also testing the 1806 (Not much data yet though) https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=2171995
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Old Jun 06, 2014, 02:12 AM
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i've videos of my tests to show how the test were made, but i cannot upload any videos, that's why i only could upload pictures with max thrust they made.
Old Jun 07, 2014, 02:06 AM
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Im thinking of using these DYS BE1806s on a pretty light 280 gram 2s FPV setup do you perhaps have any data on, or could please try, 5030GF and maybe 5040HQ on 2s. any help would be really appreciated thanks.
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Im thinking of using these DYS BE1806s on a pretty light 280 gram 2s FPV setup do you perhaps have any data on, or could please try, 5030GF and maybe 5040HQ on 2s. any help would be really appreciated thanks.
I do have a pair of 500mAh 2S 20C batteries laying around I have used for powering FPV gear in the past. It just might have enough current capactiy to perform the tests you're asking for. Give me a day or two to make a JST to XT60 adapter and put it on the test bench.


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