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Mar 10, 2014, 05:32 PM
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Can you Identify these Submarine hulls?

Hey guys!

Well I finally got over to my friends shop with enough time and my camera today.

And here are the pics I go of the hulls he's got in the back room. I think one is a Thor Design Permit class. But I'm not really sure about that.

So I put my crappy photos before your collective wisdoms and ask you, Can you identify these submarine hulls?
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Mar 10, 2014, 07:00 PM
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The larger WWII sub hull is a 1/72 hull of a Gato Submarine. Length about 51 7/8" - possibly Scale Shipyards hull. The smaller is probably a 1/72 WWII German Type VII

So far, that is all I can identify.
Mar 10, 2014, 07:53 PM
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Nice. Gato was on my consideration list for build it myself from the ground up.
Mar 11, 2014, 12:23 AM
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sub in the first three photos appears to be a subtech albacore
smaller wwII is a revell type VII 1/72 scale
Mar 11, 2014, 02:35 AM
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Thank you very much!!

So we've got a 1/72 Gato
a Revell Type VII
A Subtech Albacore
And an unknown black sub.

Wheres Matt Thor ? Im really thinking that last sub is his. And my uneducated guess is Permit Class. Because its wide and thick at the mid-section. ( i know, I know, "thats what she said")
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Mar 11, 2014, 11:26 AM
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On the unknown black boat,

What are the

We can run them through the spread sheet and get an idea of what boats fit the numbers.
Mar 11, 2014, 12:05 PM
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The black hull certainly looks like a US boat. At around 40", it could be either a long hull Sturgeon class (37.75"), a short hull Sturgeon (36.5"), or a long hull Permit (36"), all in 1/96th. A 1/96th short hull Permit would be 34.75".

Any other class or scale would be end up being several inches shorter, or longer by some 8 inches plus.

While I personally have never seen any of Matt Thor's hulls in black, I cannot guarantee that there weren't any.
Mar 11, 2014, 12:39 PM
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Ill try to run by there today with a tape measure and get some better pics if I can, either at lunch or on the way home.
Mar 11, 2014, 08:59 PM
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The black hull is 45 1/4 inches long, and 5 3/8 inches wide.

I hope that helps.

oh, and Mark has indicated that some of this stuff may come up for sale. Hes trying to decide how to handle that at this time. And he has to dig around and see what other stuff he has. Also, the sails are missing from everything Ive seen so far, so we have to find complete kits before he can really do anything.
Mar 11, 2014, 09:25 PM
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My handy dandy spread sheet say that at 45.25" long and 5.375" would fit very well with a Permit Nuke submarine.

Spread sheet results are....
Length of real boat at 278.33 feet = 46.39" at 1/72 scale
Beam of real boat at 31.58 feet = 5.26" at 1/72 scale.

Looks very close.

Now you would have to look at the upper hull detail and see if it matches those of the Permit class boats.

Might look at this building log USS Jack/Permit class modified Get to the last page and there are good images of deck layout of USS Jack.
Mar 11, 2014, 11:16 PM
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Yes I just looked at the link you provided, and at the permit class instructions that were uploaded to my other thread, and yes that is the boat.

Cool!! weve got them all figured out !
Mar 12, 2014, 02:02 AM
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Nice when it all works out. Having help at your finger tips is a good thing.
Mar 12, 2014, 02:11 AM
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Well I say it again and again, the experience I have had with RC submariners online has been the best internet experience I have ever had.

You guys are just a nice group of people with amazing amounts on knowledge and patience.

I really appreciate all you guys have done to help me. I hope that I can repay some of your generosity or at least pay it forward.
Mar 12, 2014, 02:28 AM
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You are gaining experience faster than most.
You will be able to help others with the knowledge you have gains already.

Most who try functional model subs give up before ever getting thier boats wet.
Frustration due to trial and error.
Not having the basics of how a submarine really works.
Nothing like airplanes. We have two center of gravity position that must work together and as far apart as possible at the same time.

And dealing with an all water environment.
Not like a surface boat where you just need to keep the water out.
We have to also keep the pressured water out and the pressured air in.

And just trying to buy off the self items to make your boat work.
There may be 100 Skipjacks out there. There will also be about 90 different systems making them work.
Now for a having fun yet?
Mar 12, 2014, 11:30 AM
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OH ya! Im having fun. Im having a moral dilema though. I know my friend will want to sell those subs. But how many can I get for myself, that Ill actually build. LoL ya know without being greedy.

Seriously though. Im thinking of taking at least one off his hands. But it has to be one that I can complete. So Im weighing my options.

I mean the type 7 is to small for me personally. I want a big sub.

The Gato is cool, and less detailed than the Revell version. So it should be sturdy.

The Permit is really cool, but its another nuke. And I already have one of those.

The Albacore is kinda Meh, but the history of that sub is so pivotal to US submarine development that it makes it really interesting. And if I ever get to the east coast, I can walk through it. So thats very compelling.

Decisions decisions. Because honestly, I can probably only afford to build one.

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