Originally Posted by vebbysson

Andrew, I’m curious. Where do you purchase your hobby supplies in Russia?
Here’s a link to similar sized plane https://www.horizonhobby.com/product...-basic-efl1450

Greetings colleagues!
Very, very interesting question! I will try to answer shortly. 1) All my planes were bought abroad + all the stuffing of the planes. 2) Everything that is sold in our stores has a "good" price markup and if only a "sharp" question arises, I look for it in our stores or on our forum in the "flea market" section. 3) Unfortunately, there are sellers in America and in Europe who do not work with private clients from RUSSIA, and if it works, it works with dealers. Your link (seller) does not work with the Russian buyer.
The plane on your link is not suitable for the work that I do.
Colleagues! Allow you to ask one question and in order to answer it easier, I will write the conditions for the aircraft I need.
1) The plane must be universal, land + water.
The plane should be able to take off from almost any land surface.
2) The plane must be electric.
3) The plane should have a wingspan of 2 to 2.5 meters.
4) The aircraft must have only one main strut with a tail steering rack.
5) The aircraft should have a weight of 4.5 to 5.5 kg.
6) The aircraft must be made from EPO.
7) The plane must have an attractive appearance.
8) The plane must have an acceptable (adequate) price.

With all respect, Andrew.

Andrew,

Try the bigger hobby shops in Germany and Austria, I think that will be your best shot for planes shipped to Russia.

https://www.lindinger.at
https://www.der-schweighofer.at
https://www.hoelleinshop.com
https://www.hobbydirekt.de
https://www.natterer-modellbau.de

Originally Posted by Justapoke

Andrew,
Try the bigger hobby shops in Germany and Austria, I think that will be your best shot for planes shipped to Russia.
https://www.lindinger.at
https://www.der-schweighofer.at
https://www.hoelleinshop.com
https://www.hobbydirekt.de
https://www.natterer-modellbau.de

Greetings colleague! Thanks for the help!
1) lindinger. I work with this store for a long time and Karbon, I took it in this store. The site of this shop has spare parts, but the price for the parts I need is higher than the cost of the finished aircraft. On May, a request to make a good discount for me, answered 5% discount. Even with this discount, the price of individual parts is higher than the finished aircraft.
2) der-schweighofer. This shop is on my black list and I, I do not work with those who are deceiving their customers.
3) hoelleinshop. I did not work with this store, but judging by the prices that are on the model aircraft. This is not my shop.
4) hobbydirekt. I did not work with this store, but judging by the prices that are on the model aircraft. This is not my shop.
5) natterer-modellbau. In this shop I bought an airplane and parts for an airplane. I buy but very rarely - PRICE !!!
So. Summarize the above.
Price for Carbon in europiy shops and in the absence of this aircraft for 400 euros + shipping. If you translate it from 28 thousand rubles and above, without delivery. All European stores have a fairly high price due to the high rate of the euro. If you buy in stores overseas, the price is more or less adequate, but the cost of delivery discourages any desire to make a purchase.
As you see a colleague, we are in very harsh conditions and the choice is to buy the right aircraft, it becomes a big problem !!!
Colleagues! Choosing an airplane is quite a difficult job and it all depends on what you are buying the plane for.
In May, the case of Carbon, was not chosen by chance! The plane meets all the requirements for my work (number) with the viewer.
Colleagues! I really need this plane and I, I will look for this plane.

With all respect, Andrew.

Yeah for sure the shops in Europe don't have the cheapest prices.

If you want low cost and fair shipping prices probably Hobbyking and Banggood will work for Rusia. But you aint gonna find a CZC there either.

Originally Posted by Justapoke

Yeah for sure the shops in Europe don't have the cheapest prices.
If you want low cost and fair shipping prices probably Hobbyking and Banggood will work for Rusia. But you aint gonna find a CZC there either.

You're right!
All that was in these two sellers, has long been sold. I will say more. E-Flite is the customer of this aircraft model and only through it are aircraft sold to dealers in Europe.
To the price of the customer is added the dealer's wrap, here prices are creeping up, but YOU, you accept their conditions or NO.
Surely you're wondering what I brought to search for this aircraft.
"Sale of E-Flite Carbon-Z Cub BNF Basic EFL10450"
Here and in the most different search engines. I would find the address of the manufacturer in China !? Maybe that left them in stock. Such things are a colleague.

With all respect, Andrew.

Originally Posted by skitalec

You're right!
All that was in these two sellers, has long been sold. I will say more. E-Flite is the customer of this aircraft model and only through it are aircraft sold to dealers in Europe.
To the price of the customer is added the dealer's wrap, here prices are creeping up, but YOU, you accept their conditions or NO.
Surely you're wondering what I brought to search for this aircraft.
"Sale of E-Flite Carbon-Z Cub BNF Basic EFL10450"
Here and in the most different search engines. I would find the address of the manufacturer in China !? Maybe that left them in stock. Such things are a colleague.

With all respect, Andrew.

The CZC was back than manufactured by FMS in China, but FMS is a part of Horizon now.

Originally Posted by Justapoke

The CZC was back than manufactured by FMS in China, but FMS is a part of Horizon now.

Maybe now having absorbed the FMS, Horizon will launch his models on the FMS + website and use the FMS postal service.
The only thing that can happen is not very pleasant, it can grow prices and so, so most likely it will be.

With all respect, Andrew.

P.S. And what is it - CZC?

Originally Posted by skitalec

P.S. And what is it - CZC?

Short for Carbon-Z Cub

Yeah . . . there's kind of like 1491 pages of discussion on it you walked in on.

Greetings colleagues!
Unfortunately, I could not overpower all 1491 pages of your posts, but the fact that "sick" questions periodically pop up .... So it is the hope that the manufacturer will hear us or will remain deaf to the end.
I decided to choose those positions to collect Carbon and only 14 positions. Here is the total for the price, in your currency - the dollar.
14 positions - $ 272 or (17.680 thousand rubles) without delivery and now ATTENTION!
14 positions - 415 euros or (29.880 thousand rubles) without delivery.
Here is such a calculation. Save money or make a dream.

With all respect, Andrew.

It sounds like you want this plane and aren’t able to find another you like.
Your options are limited. You’ll have to pay whatever price you find one for or move on to a different model that’s still in production.

Originally Posted by vebbysson

It sounds like you want this plane and aren’t able to find another you like.
Your options are limited. You’ll have to pay whatever price you find one for or move on to a different model that’s still in production.

Thank!

Originally Posted by Sideslip

Yup, it is a shame that in their wisdom the folks at Horizon Hobby couldn't see what a great plane the CZC is and keep it in the inventory. Personally I'd probably buy another one someday. But for now I am happy flying the same one for the last five years. Although mine has Power 60 470KV motor as well as the battery tray. No matter if you mod it or not the CZC will be sorely missed when they are all gone.

We're definitely not perfect, but it's a shame so many seem to believe we don't know what a great airplane is...and sometimes, how to make it even better

That said, you guys might want to keep an eye on this thread

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...ale-Experience!

Well, I'll look forward to seeing something at Joe Nall. But I'll only be there for the first Saturday. Hope you guys have a surprize for me.

My LHS sent out an announcement of the "NEW IMPROVED" Carbon Z Cub this morning.

Available June.