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Jul 14, 2013, 03:23 AM
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We need to find a way to do better


Zimmerman (obviously)!

"We were able to have a fair hearing and an open trial but this is not a time for jubilance, it's a time for reflection," said Mark NeJame, a prominent Orlando attorney who turned down the chance to represent Zimmerman last year. "A young man is dead. This is just a tragedy and we need to figure out a way to do better."

Yes guys - lose the gun toting vigilante's eh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...trayvon-martin
Jul 14, 2013, 03:35 AM
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http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

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MYTH 10: "Gun control reduces crime."

This is perhaps, the greatest myth that is perpetrated today by national gun ban groups. No empirical study of the effectiveness of gun laws has shown any positive effect on crime. To the dismay of the pro hibitionists, such studies have shown a negative effect. That is, in areas having greatest restrictions on private firearms ownership, crime rates are typically higher, because criminals are aware that their intended victims are less likely to have the me ans with which to defend themselves.
If gun laws worked, the proponents of such laws would gleefully cite examples of reduced crime. Instead, they uniformly blame the absence of tougher or wider spread measures for the failures of the laws they adv ocated. Or they cite denials of applications for permission to buy a firearm as evidence the law is doing something beyond preventing honest citizens from being able legally to acquire firearms. They cite Washington, D.C., as a jurisdiction where gun laws are "working." Yet crime in Washington has risen dramatically since 1976, the year before its handgun ban took effect. Washington, D.C., now has outrageously higher crime rates than any of the states (D.C. 1992 violent crime rate: 2832.8 per 100,000 resi dents; U.S. rate: 757.5), with a homicide rate 8 times the national rate (1992 rate 75.4 per 100,000 for D.C., 9.3 nationally.) No wonder former D.C. Police Chief Maurice Turner said, "What has the gun control law done to keep criminals from gettin g guns? Absolutely nothing... [City residents] ought to have the opportunity to have a handgun."

Criminals in Washington have no trouble getting either prohibited drugs or prohibited handguns, resulting in a skyrocketing of the city's murder rate. D.C.'s 1991 homicide rate of 80.6 per 100,000 population was the highest ever recorded by an American big city, and marked a 200% rise in homicide since banning handguns, while the nation's homicide rate rose just 11%. Since 1991, the homicide rate has re mained near 75 per 100,000, while the national rate hovers around 9-10.

Clearly, criminals do not bother with the niceties of obeying laws--for a criminal is, by definition, someone who disobeys laws. Those who enforce the law agree.

In addi tion, restrictive gun laws create a "Catch-22" for victims of violent crime. Under court decisions, the police have no legal obligation to protect any particular individual. This concept has been tested numerous times including cases as recent as 1993. In each case the courts have ruled that the police are responsible for protecting society as a whole, not any individual. This means that under restrictive gun laws, people may be unable to protect themselves or their family from violent criminals.

T he evidence that restrictive gun laws create scofflaws is evident to anyone willing to look. In New York City, there are only about 70,000 legally-owned handguns, yet survey research suggests that there are at least 750,000 handguns in the city, mostly in the hands of otherwise law-abiding citizens. In Chicago, a recent mandatory registration law has resulted in compliance by only a fraction of those who had previously registered their guns. The rate of compliance with the registration requirement of Cali fornia's and New Jersey's semi- automatic bans have been very low. The same massive noncompliance--not by criminals, whom no one expects will comply, but by people fearful of repression--is evident wherever stringent gun laws are enacted.
Jul 14, 2013, 03:38 AM
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Statistics - Trayvon just joined em
Jul 14, 2013, 03:40 AM
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Statistics - Trayvon just joined em
Yes, nothing to celebrate...but the evidence indicates he is at least partly responsible for putting himself there.
Jul 14, 2013, 03:42 AM
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Yes, nothing to celebrate...but the evidence indicates he is at least partly responsible for putting himself there.

Really ?

He reacted - I would too
Jul 14, 2013, 03:43 AM
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Really ?

He reacted - I would too
Reacted by attacking a 'creepy ass cracker' who was following him.
Jul 14, 2013, 03:46 AM
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Reacted by attacking a 'creepy ass cracker' who was following him.
Maybe. Maybe.
Jul 14, 2013, 03:46 AM
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Yes guys - lose the gun toting vigilante's eh
Right after we lose the angry teens armed with tons of concrete eh.
Jul 14, 2013, 05:48 AM
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Electricity kills also, if a "teenager" is also stupid enough to put his fingers in a live socket.

Of course we need to do better, and quit jumping strangers in the dark. Apparently that is as stupid as inserting fingers into an electric socket.

Some quick ways to do better

1. Parenting
2. Less race baiting by our President and media
3. Less thug culture

Getting shot isn't the tragedy, getting shot was the result and outcome of many tragedies.
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Jul 14, 2013, 06:04 AM
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Electricity kills also, if a "teenager" is also stupid enough to put his fingers in a live socket.

Of course we need to do better, and quit jumping strangers in the dark. Apparently that is as stupid as inserting fingers into an electric socket.
No bravado intended or implied ,however if someone were to jump me in the dark,regardless his skin color ,he (or she) would possibly/likely end up the same as mr Martin.
Whether Zimmerman was "creepy-stalking"Martin is immaterial ,Martin likely would be alive today had he kept his hands to himself and kept walking.
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Jul 14, 2013, 06:07 AM
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Electricity kills also, if a "teenager" is also stupid enough to put his fingers in a live socket.

Of course we need to do better, and quit jumping strangers in the dark. Apparently that is as stupid as inserting fingers into an electric socket.

Some quick ways to do better

1. Parenting
2. Less race baiting by our President and media
3. Less thug culture

Getting shot isn't the tragedy, getting shot was the result and outcome of many tragedies.
This - 100%

And the media could start reporting actual facts instead of making them up.
Jul 14, 2013, 06:09 AM
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No bravado intended or implied ,however if someone were to jump me in the dark,regardless his skin color ,he (or she) would possibly/likely end up the same as mr Martin.
That is the lesson that narcissistic young teenagers full of rage and false bravado, worked up by race pimps like Al Sharpton, their parents, friends, and the media, should take from this case.
You don't act out your aggression on someone and expect not to be handled accordingly.
Jul 14, 2013, 09:53 AM
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The real tragedy is the thug culture that has been popular in the U.S. for a couple of decades now. Beligerent attitudes, gang culture, thuggish demeanor , the "don't dis me" attitudes all raise the probability of violence in any encounter. Zimmerman was on watch-why? Because there is a high incidence of crime in his area. Treyvon looked suspicious - why? Because his appearance was thuggish. I'm don't buy the charge that profiling is always wrong. If a young tatooed skinheaded white boy wearing military attire slouched through a black neighborhood. Would he have been suspected of no good? I think so. But that wouldn't be considered profiling would it? One sided application of the rules?
Zimmerman followed Treyvon because he looked suspicious. No law broken there. Treyvon was just walking down the street. No law broken there. Catalyst? Treyvon looked like a thug which caught Zimmerman's attention. Result? Zimmerman followed and questioned Treyvon. Treyvon took offence at Zimmermans questioning. The "You dissin me? " attitude. Tragedy? Treyvon decided to whail on this creepy looking "cracker" and got shot when Zimmerman feared for his physical safety. Justice? Zimmerman did nothing illegal . Everything he did was within his rights. He was justified by law to defend himself. Travesty? Prosecuting Zimmerman after the police found no probable cause. Political pressure and misguided media pressure resulted in an attempt to railroad Zimmerman simply to alieviate racial tension. This trial should never have taken place. Thank God those jurors had enough common sense to see that and vote not guilty.
Jul 14, 2013, 10:05 AM
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Electricity kills also, if a "teenager" is also stupid enough to put his fingers in a live socket.

Of course we need to do better, and quit jumping strangers in the dark. Apparently that is as stupid as inserting fingers into an electric socket.

Some quick ways to do better

1. Parenting
2. Less race baiting by our President and media
3. Less thug culture

Getting shot isn't the tragedy, getting shot was the result and outcome of many tragedies.
Yup, and quit crying about US citizens right to arms to protect themselves from thugs like Martin and a tyrannical out of control government !
Jul 14, 2013, 10:07 AM
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Zimmerman (obviously)!

"We were able to have a fair hearing and an open trial but this is not a time for jubilance, it's a time for reflection," said Mark NeJame, a prominent Orlando attorney who turned down the chance to represent Zimmerman last year. "A young man is dead. This is just a tragedy and we need to figure out a way to do better."

Yes guys - lose the gun toting vigilante's eh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...trayvon-martin
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