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Mar 31, 2015, 09:10 PM
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Edubarca, I agree that it's probably a waste of time. You are probably fine if you do what +dodgy does above.

But my study of the issue indicates that your statement about "NOT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES" is wrong. An act is infringing whether or not is done for commercial purposes. A judge may well take that into account if he's trying to decide if your act was fair use or not. But if a judge is making that decision, then you are already in court and suffering from court costs.

However, I'm not a lawyer, and could well be wrong. If you are a copyright or IP lawyer and your statement about commercial intent is meant as legal advice, then I'd like to know that.
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Apr 01, 2015, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Meyer
Edubarca, I agree that it's probably a waste of time. You are probably fine if you do what +dodgy does above.

But my study of the issue indicates that your statement about "NOT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES" is wrong. An act is infringing whether or not is done for commercial purposes. A judge may well take that into account if he's trying to decide if your act was fair use or not. But if a judge is making that decision, then you are already in court and suffering from court costs.

However, I'm not a lawyer, and could well be wrong. If you are a copyright or IP lawyer and your statement about commercial intent is meant as legal advice, then I'd like to know that.
Hi Mike, no, I'm not a lawyer and I don't live in the USA. Anyway, I really don't think that anybody is going to the trouble of suing anybody just for sharing a model airplane or boat plan. Not even big Hollywood studios have been able to eliminate piracy, so I insist this copyright issue for model plans is futile and useless. Instead, let's enjoy our plans and our models!!!

EDUARDO
Apr 01, 2015, 04:18 PM
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Hi Eduardo,

Yup, for the most part you're perfectly safe giving away old plans. But I'm paranoid enough that I think people ought to be aware of that "for the most part".

And if you don't live in the US, then non-commercial use may be perfectly legal wherever you live. Trying to keep track of the law in the US is painful enough; I don't even try for other countries!
Jul 30, 2015, 09:36 AM
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old boat plans


hello there
I recently purchased a box of vintage Model Boat Magazines($20.00 for 100 magazines ) from the 1980 s, included in these magazines are plans of various boats from tug boats to harbour patrol boats,pt boats and Fairmiles. (there are many more that are included in these magazines) If builders have an interest in these plans i will post them for everyone to enjoy.
Jul 30, 2015, 02:34 PM
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I think that many people would be interested, and it's a very kind offer (and possibly a lot of work for you)!

It might also be of value to scan the contents pages - that way, if you have something that someone is really interested in, they can request it specifically....
Jul 30, 2015, 02:52 PM
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But my study of the issue indicates that your statement about "NOT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES" is wrong. An act is infringing whether or not is done for commercial purposes. A judge may well take that into account if he's trying to decide if your act was fair use or not. But if a judge is making that decision, then you are already in court and suffering from court costs.

My understanding of the legislation is that its aim is to suppress 'unfair' commercial practice. It is civil law, and the penalties are set out in terms of rectifying the commercial damage done to the copyright holder.

This is why music and film pirates get charged with 'distributing 1000 films and costing the copyright holder $20,000'. That statement is clearly wrong, but it is needed to make the charge.

So the first point to make is that, if no one is currently legally distributing a plan, it is very hard for anyone to claim that commercial value has been damaged. The second point to make is that if you stop distributing if asked, that rather takes the wind out of any prosecutor's sails, since you have complied with his demand. Under such circumstances it is hard to see any prosecution being started, let alone being successful.

That said, I operate a policy of trying to find out who the copyright holder is, and then asking them if I can distribute their old plans for free, making no charge. They pretty much always say yes.

There are a few places where they still sell archive copies of their old plans - Phil Smith (of Veron)'s son is one such - so I don't publish Veron plans.

The only company I have ever found to be recalcitrant was MIDWest Products. They have told me that
  • they have no plans to republish any old kits
  • they provide no service for anyone to buy old plans from their archive
  • but they don't want anyone else passing them around, because they are THEIR plans...

So if you want to make an old MIDWest kit, you're out of luck...
Apr 09, 2016, 09:20 PM
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I see the mention of "vintage" as pre 1960s, maybe some 1970s model boats.

Is this forum section an appropriate place to post about the build up of a 1989 vintage RC speed boat kit with brushed 540 power? Or is that considered too new and modern of a boat for this section?

Maybe it would be more appropriate for the Racing Boats Electric section?

I thought this might be a place to provide information about the kit, because I found a minimal amount of info on this kit when searching the internet, before I bought it. Only a small number of photos, and only two videos one of which is very low resolution and poor quality. I'm guessing the brushless speed boat guys probably would not be interesting in reading any posts about my kit. It has an MSC and resistor for speed control, and 3:1 gear reduction. That might get the Brushless Speed Boat guys yawning. I don't want to bore them..

Thanks.
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Apr 10, 2016, 04:16 AM
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I see the mention of "vintage" as pre 1960s, maybe some 1970s model boats.

Is this forum section an appropriate place to post about the build up of a 1989 vintage RC speed boat kit with brushed 540 power? Or is that considered too new and modern of a boat for this section?

Maybe it would be more appropriate for the Racing Boats Electric section?

I thought this might be a place to provide information about the kit, because I found a minimal amount of info on this kit when searching the internet, before I bought it. Only a small number of photos, and only two videos one of which is very low resolution and poor quality. I'm guessing the brushless speed boat guys probably would not be interesting in reading any posts about my kit. It has an MSC and resistor for speed control, and 3:1 gear reduction. That might get the Brushless Speed Boat guys yawning. I don't want to bore them..

Thanks.
Ah - no matter what we say, people find a grey area!

I would like to think that if you post on any forum in the Boats section of RC Groups you will find interested readers. You are likely to find more interest, and, in particular, more assistance if you post under a topic that matches your post.

Now, I am not going to complain about any boating post! We have had occasion in the past to point out that there are better fora for particular questions - I remember one in 'Vintage' about 2 brushless motors which really belonged in the "Fast Electrics" section - but we were happy to answer the point while guiding the questioner away. However, this forum was started with considerable argument, against persons who wanted the entire 'Boats' section to only have one topic. Their belief was that an individual post might get 'lost' if it were only in one section, and that people who might like to read it might only read other sections.

It seemed to me that you could equally argue that someone with a particular specialism might want to read nothing but 'Vintage', and that the issue could easily be covered if a poster who fell between two fora posted twice - mainly in the most appropriate forum - say, 'Electrical Hacks', but then put a separate post in 'Sailing', informing people that he had just posted on a device to monitor sail tension..... however, I don't think that made them any happier...

So, where does that leave us? The sort of things that interest readers here are likely to be:
  • traditional build materials rather than modern
  • older electrical systems
  • boat kits which are no longer sold due to age
  • obtaining historical information on superseded models

...and, from your description, I would say that you probably hit 3 out of 4 of those points. So, if you think my guesses above hit the mark, I would go ahead and post, while adding a one-liner to the 'Fast Electrics' people telling them that you are covering this model here.

If you think that you really want to talk about modern racing the converse applies - post there and add a one-liner here referencing the old kit.

Does that help? Having experienced the bumpy birth of this forum I suspect that whatever you do SOMEONE will find fault - but I'd like to think that over here we will remain polite and try to help where possible. You are more likely to interest us if you explain how you were able to find information on the kit, and how your MSC works, rather than listing the times of the top three racers in last year's Nationals......
Apr 10, 2016, 03:52 PM
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I think I will post a thread about the boat in here then.. I seem to get drawn to vintage boats for some reason.. Maybe it is because they seem to have more character, than the typical RC boats you find on the market these days.
Nov 17, 2016, 02:56 AM
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Hey All,
I was just reading through this now and had a query, I have a vintage rc sailer which I'm about to begin fully restoring, I thought I might post the details of that on here. Though would a thread involving restoration live on this forum or one that's relating to Building Logs etc.?

Sorry I'm new and just finding the lay of the land on this site.
Cheers
Harry
Nov 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
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Welcome to the forum! Your boat, your decision, of course! How old is it?

Posting on this forum means that you get to show it to people who are mainly interested in older models, and who may be able to discuss older building/finishing techniques, or help you source original equipment or data. If you think you may need that, that is what we try to offer.

You can, of course, leave messages on both forums...


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