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Feb 28, 2013, 04:48 AM
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That Seawind has either got my thumbs on the sticks or the DF was giving as good as she was getting from the larger boats. It'd be interesting to see the relative perfomance in lower wind. That looked as much as was practical with the A rig.
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Feb 28, 2013, 05:49 AM
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Ok swinging this to a more postive... and need some info on refinishing.. I've done a search and found a few threads on painting.. but what would some of you guys recomend for repainting the hull... method wise..

1) I would assume scuff / sand the existing finish - but does anyone have any idea if the paint on this beasty is Acrylic based or enamel? And then does the existing finish need to come off completely?

2) Prime after sanding or just shoot some new top coat (and washing down with) which begs the question with what.. I have easy access to prepsol (solver paints) would this nuke the ABS?

3) clear coat? worth it.. ?

Think I'm gonna mess with this boat a fair bit. lol
Feb 28, 2013, 07:01 AM
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Perhaps some more information on Development..

In answer to other questions on other european forums... http://forum.rg-65.de/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=482
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Hello Roland, sorry this is in English but perhaps you can Ooops a translation. trail (Mike Weston, Mark Dick and myself) were approached a year ago by a company called Ripmax (a large distributor of RC products in the UK) to develop a good, racing spec RC yacht to be built in China by Joysway. We only had about six weeks to design and produce a working prototype boat to be shipped off to China, so we decided to base the boat on Mark's existing ICE RG65 and RG65 keep it within the class rules. We supplied every detail they might also need to produce a good boat and then waited as they turned that design into a product suitable for their ABS blow-molding production methods. We did not know what to expect from a company who's existing model yachts were just scale interpretations of full-sized boats with very poor rigging, but they have been great to work with and have kept us involved throughout the process. The first sample boats we received about a month ago were too heavy, but the standard of finish and attention to detail were most impressive. This is the boat that Tobi refers to in his report of the UK championships. Since then we have received another boat with a much thinner hull molding resulting in an all-up weight of sailing 1220gms (using a LiFe battery pack in place of the supplied 4 x AA battery pack). This reduction in weight means the boat now performs like a decent RG65 and is probably as light as we can expect a mass produced plastic boat to be. We are now going through some final alterations and the boat will shortly go into production for delivery in Feb / March next year. The best bit of news is this: - The retail price in the UK is expected to be 140-160GBP! Yes, that's correct! This therefore includes a basic 2.4Ghz radio set and waterproof receiver. The rig is full area and based on my Graphite A low-aspect rig. The default is single sail panel but works very well as you can see from the video on YouTube. I do not know who the importer for Joysway products is in Germany, but can sell in Europe Sun Ripmax supply will be no problem. Mike Weston at RCYachts has 100 boats on pre-order, so he wants to be the person to contact for early orders. In the UK we intend to start a restricted class within the RG65 class, based on the Dragon Force and Allowing only three, controlled rigs and minimum changes to the standard boat. This will keep the cost down and should prove to be effective at entry level boat for club racing. We intend to race this division alongside the regular RG65 boats at events and have a special prize for the first DragonForce class boat. We hope this will help to get the regular class RG65 strongly established in the UK. When we know the final detailed spec of the production boat we will produce a set of class rules for this restricted class. I hope this gives you a good explanation of this project, but please ask any other questions and I'll keep in touch with this forum. Best regards John Tushingham GBR51

Youtube Video of RG65 ICE vs RG65 Pocket Rocket

RG65 Ice & Pocket Rocket (2 min 57 sec)
Feb 28, 2013, 07:19 AM
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i think the performance of the boat is shown in the DF65 versus Seawind says it all :-)

the two hatches shown on an earlier boat are not on the produstion boats, but there will be an access hatch/patch near the mast/fin box to allow the batteries to be located nearer the centre of the boat. also the DRagon Force name on the sails will come off to allow registration numbers to be added

hopefully we (myself/mike weston and John tushingham) will see the final product before there is any more grumblings !!!! (LOL)
Feb 28, 2013, 07:33 AM
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Could you take the dragon's off . . .

Mark.. I notice that the boat (that is often depicted in the photo's) has the main sheet method used on it you mention for the final boats, yet has the forward deck patches...

Did Joysway change to the central eye for the main sheet. and then change back as the boat pictured seems to be a real mixture of features.

With regards to the video i posted.. (linked too) I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the DF to the larger Seawinds just on appearance from the vid.
Feb 28, 2013, 07:57 AM
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Mark, you might also give the Dragon an airing on http://www.rcsailing.net/forum1/foru...ion-%28RG65%29
Feb 28, 2013, 06:47 PM
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I've just had some information forwarded on to me about the scratch mark (it is a joint line in the hull). Obviously this may vary from boat to boat as they polish this mark but can only polish the joint so far due to the thickness of the hull material.

As mentoined to me.. Mine appears worse than some, having said that though.. I am going to fair the area and have some fun and do a little tinkering. My little fella wants a boat (and when funds allow for another RG65 I'll pass this one on to him). And being a joint that is polished (sanded) they are probably not all going to be 100% dead perfect and some may vary a little, that I can understand. The final 'May boats' may be better in this area as they tweak the manufacturing or finishing process here, that is a wait and see type deal. I was sent some images of a hull (pre-painting) and the one in the images has what appears to be a better finished joint than mine by a long way so they may have improved what they are doing in this area for the final boats.

Now next stop the local tackle shop.. for some Dyneema line (what weight(s) etc would be recomended for this size boat? - me being me - I'd prefer slight overkill on the strength or something that is definately going to do the job and not be marginal).

I don't think this boat is going to be the fastest by the time it gets a repaint etc.. all little things that will add weight.
Feb 28, 2013, 06:52 PM
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Now next stop the local tackle shop.. for some Dyneema line (what weight(s) etc would be recomended for this size boat? - me being me - I'd prefer slight overkill on the strength or something that is definately going to do the job and not be marginal).
I use 50-60 pound stuff on an IOM so this would be plenty.
Feb 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
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Thanks mike so I'm guestimating even 40lb stuff would be plenty on an RG65. I think I've read of people using 30lb will aim for strongest but see what the cost difference is when instore.
Feb 28, 2013, 08:34 PM
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Well the Boat arrived safely & well packed..

The scratch (if you can call it that) on my boat is clearly from the Joining of the Bow Fender/Bumper. More of a scuff mark..

Glued or Heat Treated in the Manufacturing process? Most likely glued & pressed fit.

A few scuff marks/smears & not unexpected on a Black Hull.. Packing is what it is...

30 Minutes to Rig.. Only if you have an idea of where things go & how they operate... NO Instructions

Care & sighting the right way to fit the Sticks to the 2.4ghz TX.. There is a right way & a wrong way.. Press away without looking & damage could be caused.. Align the Stub with the Rubber profile & they slip on easily..

Having used Graphite Rigs before I can see a lot of JT's influences in the overall rigging design.. I espeially like the Option of 5mm Stub or if preferred a direct 6mm mast Tube.. My first upgrade will be to Install an MM Deck Plate to accept my MM Masts & Gooseneck..

Lots of MM Inluences in the overall setup...

Only fault I can see is "Lack of an Instruction Manual for the Novice.."

Sub $150 & this is a good buy... No Question...

Small Mods like changing rigging lines & maybe a few C Clips & O rings.. (Only for personal preference)

Will finish putting it together over the next few days (busy atm).. Hopefully a test sail over the weekend..

Feb 28, 2013, 08:40 PM
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Could you take the dragon's off . . .

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I like Dragons..
Feb 28, 2013, 08:41 PM
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Buyers would probably change that stuff even if they paid $300.

Terry
Feb 28, 2013, 11:58 PM
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Waboats.. that dragon is a little more subtle. . . lol.

Oops and yes.. the tx sticks.. definately good advice have a look at them for the correct orientation on the bases damage would be easy if just 'plonked on'.
Mar 01, 2013, 12:28 AM
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I like Dragons..
Me too.
Mar 01, 2013, 02:29 AM
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I like Dragons..
My Boats name is HAOXIAN

One of the Nine Sons of the Imperial Dragon

Haoxian is a reckless and adventurous dragon whose image can be found decorating the eaves of palaces

Do a small bit of Dog Showing in my spare time & the very very occasional litter under the Prefix, HAOXIAN.



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