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Old Feb 05, 2013, 08:57 PM
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Fun single channel models.


Well, after reading the Q-Tee thread, and talking about single channel models, it could be time.

Can anyone reccomend a few good single channel models?
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Old Feb 06, 2013, 08:34 AM
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Here are some suggestions: Minnie Mambo, Little Esquire/Tri-Squire, Dick's Dream, to name a few. Going back even further in time, the Berkeley Brigadier and the Rudder Bug.
Old Feb 06, 2013, 08:35 AM
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Log in to www.singlechannel.co.uk and get some ideas. I just finished building a single channel tx using the encoder board that Phil Green designed. I am currently building a LiveWire Kitten which Hal deBolt kitted in 1953. You can download plans at Outerzone Open listing. I also scored a Ambroid kit of Milt Boone's Charger-the 1959 Nats winning rudder only airplane.
Old Feb 06, 2013, 10:33 AM
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If one isn't into having a radio that mimics the control functionality of the older radios, one can opt for modern servo control of the rudder with optional proportional throttle. To have an airplane that can stunt like crazy, look at a plane that has a shorter distance from wing to elevator. For a .049 plane, Minnie Mambo is a good choice. My Minnie would loop like crazy.

BTW, Frank Hurd, I'd be interested in hearing how your LiveWire Kitten flies, and whether it is capable of doing decent loops. I have that kit, too, and was wondering if the lifting elevator would diminish that.
Old Feb 06, 2013, 04:05 PM
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Back in 1986, Model Builder Magazine "re-introduced" the Esquire, and builder Ken Collins used an OS Max .10 FSR for power. Radio used was an Ace pulse-proportional unit, so no throttle. One of the low-cost two-channel, two-stick radios would be perfect for a rudder/throttle arrangement, by removing the springs from the elevator stick. Think I just figured out what my next project will be....
Old Feb 07, 2013, 07:26 AM
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I'll let you know when she's finished.
Old Feb 07, 2013, 12:52 PM
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I'll let you know when she's finished.
Thanks, Frank.

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Back in 1986, Model Builder Magazine "re-introduced" the Esquire, and builder Ken Collins used an OS Max .10 FSR for power. Radio used was an Ace pulse-proportional unit, so no throttle.
The Ace Pulse Commander came with a factory upgradable option to add a quick blip sequential throttle push button and circuitry to the transmitter and receiver modification to use a KRD sequential servo (hi-med-low back to hi). I don't know if Ken used this on his Ace, or did rudder and no throttle. Adding throttle adds a whole new world to rudder only aerobatics.

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One of the low-cost two-channel, two-stick radios would be perfect for a rudder/throttle arrangement, by removing the springs from the elevator stick. Think I just figured out what my next project will be....
I'm just simply relying on my Mode 2 4 channel transmitter, but you are right. If one has a 2 channel TX, that is one way to skin a cat.
Old Feb 07, 2013, 04:08 PM
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If you can score a set of plans for the 48" Mambo, it will make a very nice flyer with an Enya .09. Another design that comes to mind is Jack Headley's .020-sized Cal Smith Sportwagon he published in Model Aviation, circa 1983. There is no shortage of interesting designs suitable for rudder-only.
Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:14 AM
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One from the 60's I liked was the Goldberg Jr Falcon. Outerzone has the plans posted http://www.outerzone.co.uk/index.asp
Old Feb 08, 2013, 03:32 PM
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Jr Falcon was nice on rudder only. You could actually see it flare for landing like it had an elevator.

Littlest Stick on an .010 was a handful but fun.



Guppy is nice too.

Old Feb 08, 2013, 04:15 PM
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If you can score a set of plans for the 48" Mambo, it will make a very nice flyer with an Enya .09. Another design that comes to mind is Jack Headley's .020-sized Cal Smith Sportwagon he published in Model Aviation, circa 1983. There is no shortage of interesting designs suitable for rudder-only.
AMA sells a John Pond Plans archive of the Sterling original plans. For former widths, see:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...8#post17792834
Old Feb 15, 2013, 06:21 AM
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I am flying a "Midwest Sniffer" converted to electric power with rudder as the only control, the plan is on the http://www.outerzone.co.uk/index.asp list, easy to find. If you go the way of converting a free flight model with polyhedral wings you may want to reduce the center dihedral, I found that the Sniffer with stock wings, on the first command to turn, dutch rolled inverted instantly and dived into the ground. I flattened the dihedral completely and now the sniffer flies beautifully. By the way I use a home made single channel transmitter with the Phil Green encoder that emulates the old SC radios from the early 60's, no proportional movement, full through only.
Old Feb 15, 2013, 01:44 PM
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That's interesting, I never realized that about excessive dihedral, iflylilplanes, will keep it in mind next time I do a free flight conversion to RC.

You are bold in emulating the older radio control actions of the '60s. I still have my Ace Pulse Commander, want to convert the older 72 MHz to 6 Meter Ham and have another that is on the old 27 MHz frequencies. Both have quick blip KRD sequential Hi-Med-Lo servo and transmitter throttle push switch.

That is about as far as I want to emulate old single channel RC.
Old Feb 15, 2013, 05:06 PM
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I like the Owen Kampen "Skampy".

Nice small Airplane and looks racy.
There was a kit by ACE.


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